Dont let the door hit you... Brian O'Neal
On Aug 6, 2004, at 11:23 AM, KR'sListMail wrote: > Dear Group, > This is a letter below, is one I sent in response to group member here > on this list, that has been very supportive to me the past few weeks. > Rather than, rewrite another letter to this group, I decided this one, > was just as good to post here to you all too. > If any of you would like to write to me, and be part of my future > plans, (and see my presentations of the Apple beta software and > graphic software) please contact me directly, by my email address. I > am very sorry about the situation here on this list, and I feel it is > time now to go on to greener pastures. Take care and goodbye. Yours > Kay > ............................. > > Hi, > > I am leaving this list soon. I am getting over my cold, and have had a > chance to clear my head today. I've been thinking this morning about > this weird mac group. > > The thing is, I don't need this kind of silly list flamewars, and BS > in my life. I have so much to do right now, and plus my classes are > starting soon. My reason for being here- I have to be frank with you > about one thing. Last spring- It is a Apple Rep that asked me to be > more active with the local Apple Group here. He knew I have been > Officer at several other groups and wanted me to show some of the beta > testing I was doing, etc. I gritted my teeth when they asked. But then > I thought, oh well maybe this group has changed. > > The issue is, that other groups in cities of this size have grown. > Some have even have 2 or more groups. This one hasn't gained any > members in 15 years. Apple wants to know--Why? > > I quit coming to this group, years ago, when Randy started the Art > Software's group. This group, sort of died then, but came back a bit, > after Randy stopped doing the group. Now, It has gotten worse, than > when I left-- It is so inbred and boring. I really don't see how they > have kept their legal status as a non-profit, Apple group. They are > not following the rules that Apple groups are supposed to follow. They > collect dues, but where does the money go? There is no Board, there > are no Officers, there is no voting on the leaders. No Treasurer's > report. No group representation sent to Apple MacWorld, to attend the > big user group meeting there. No outreach to new members. These are > all the things that are supposed to be done in an "Official Apple > Group". I would serve on the Board on this one, to help out, and get > things in line, but there is no board! I asked Harry about that > issue, in June. He said they have no Board and no voting. > > So now, it is time to take some stock in the situation. After 4 months > on this list, I don't even need to attend a meeting to find out what > is going on here. I get the jest of it! Just a bunch of educational > guys, pocketing the software and goodies Apple sends them for the > group--it serves their needs with the minimal amount of effort. > > But, with Wards unreal email and then, Lees comment yesterday? That > was the last straw for me. To suggest I would send him a virus, was a > VERY nasty thing to say, and very surprising, for a college professor > to state such an awful claim about a professional business person, who > has a reputation to uphold. I don't need to have people like that > ruining my reputation, just to help Apple out. And this list has done > alot to ruin my reputation, because of his reluctancy to do his job. > On this list now, I am seen as some sort of ocre, some sort of mean > bitch. It started with that lady Marta, with all her false claims- and > it hasn't let up on me since. > > You see, those are the kinds of things going on here, these kind of > issues, that are not allowed at a real Apple group. Real groups don't > allow discussions about illegal copying, and tools to do so. Real > groups don't allow new users drilling everyone with personal computer > problems every other day and drive people away who get tired of > answering her. These kind of people, at other groups are told that is > not what the group is for, to burn out their consultants, with free > help. But that is not what is happening here. This group is really out > in left field. But here you see, WHY. The leaders are not doing their > job-in fact they are adding to the problem. > > So I am out. I think it would be easier to make a new group that to > try to fix this one. > > I have been to the PC group in April. (One of my attorneys is actually > the volunteer council with that group also, so they keep things > professional there.) Maybe I can start a Sig there that deals with > cross platform users, that uses Microsoft's VPC, and PDA devices. The > kind of stuff I am really interested in. > > I didn't want to do this, because in a way I felt sorry for Lee, and > Tom (who I never hear from on this list, is such a nice guy). But > after his nasty ass comment yesterday? No more. > > The most comforting part about this whole thing, is the others from > the list that have written, afraid to speak up. Boy have I heard > stories, you wouldn't believe! > > Anyway, I am going to wait until things cool off here, maybe make a > final post (I want to talk to my Apple rep first) > and then ease out the back door... > > Thanks for supporting me along the path the past few months. I really > appreciate how kind you have been. > > All the Best, > Yours, > Kay > > > > > > > > > > | The next meeting of the Louisville Computer Society will > | be August 24. The LCS Web page is <http://www.kymac.org>. > | List posting address: <mailto:macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu> > | List Web page: <http://erdos.math.louisville.edu/macgroup> > | The next meeting of the Louisville Computer Society will | be August 24. The LCS Web page is <http://www.kymac.org>. | List posting address: <mailto:macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu> | List Web page: <http://erdos.math.louisville.edu/macgroup>
