Here comes my philosophy on this,-- you wouldn't  think I wouldn't add 
my mustard to the sandwich, would you?

Knowing little about the intricacies of different Macs, neither the 
blue one, nor the G3s , also forgot all these cat creatures that roamed 
the  apple forest before Panther and am naive  about all the 
applications in my own machine who might interfere with an update, I 
hold it thus:

as soon as an update appears on my screen, I update it from the update 
menu. If Jerry's reminder precedes that of my own computer's clock, I 
download it then. He makes a good case and has solid reasons for his 
determinations . Then I pray to the super Power that it will work, 
always with the trust in my fellow Mac-comrades that they will not 
leave me in the cold in case something goes wrong.
Marta, self determined queen of the Mac-User realm !
(  Remember, queens don't need a lot of intelligence, but are essential 
for ceremonial purposes!)


On Nov 7, 2005, at 8:41, Harry Jacobson-Beyer wrote:

> It helps.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Sunday, November 6, 20055:39 PMJerry Yeagerjerry at browseryshop.com
>
>> How best to answer this ... hmm ...
>>
>> What I have looked for when I  relay "No widespread reports of
>> problems" about an update is I look at what kinds of problems are
>> occurring and being reported. Say for example, an update comes out
>> and suddenly a major portion of the Mac OS-X using internet goes
>> silent. One would suspect that there is a serious problem, so bad
>> that it is keeping folks from even reporting on it, :^) (Uh, there
>> was a problem with one release of Safari when it first came out that
>> fell into this category, that release was pulled quickly).
>>
>> Barring that, then next; are there groups of reports that can be
>> categorized into ones that affect certain models? If I only hear of
>> reports that are fairly isolated instances, then I mention the
>> update. One problem with this approach is that it needs (and relies
>> on) the reports of the early adopters (I am one of those), so if
>> folks do not update and report quickly, then a common problem may not
>> show up until later.
>>
>> With all of that in mind I will tell you that I think it is okay for
>> you to do the updates, at least to the G4 Powerbook.
>>
>> There are some caveats that come with Apple updates one should pay
>> attention to:
>> 1) Disconnect external firewire drives and what not before updating.
>> 2) legacy systems may not take the update well, especially the Blue
>> and White G3 Macs (these were not designed to be ran with OS-X in
>> mind at all it seems and it is a wonder that Ryan Rempke's patch has
>> managed to make OS-X run on these systems.
>>
>> As far as your friends G3 iBook goes, I must ask which one is it? So
>> far, the ones that had the FireWire ports seem to run Tiger pretty
>> well (no they do not get the cool graphics and effects in Tiger), but
>> the earlier ones seem to be best with Panther. [The core *nix stuff
>> in OS-X will run on all systems, even the old PPC Macs, but the
>> graphics and audio add ons are the parts that break OS-X for the
>> older Macs.]
>>
>> I suspect with Leopard, all of the G3 Books will formally join their
>> Blue and White cousin in the Legacy Lineup.
>>
>> The Onyx problem is one that will always happen to small third party
>> developers and as a discussion topic would take us far from your
>> question.
>>
>> Does that help or make things worse?
>>
>>                              Jerry
>>
>> On Nov 6, 2005, at 4:22 PM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer wrote:
>>
>>> Jerry,
>>>
>>> I'm confused about this update!
>>>
>>> There has been a lot of cross talk about problems occurring after the
>>> update - some of which I understand and (fan issues) and some of
>>> which I
>>> do not understand re: Russell Preston's problem with AppleScript 
>>> error
>>> 1762.... and OnyX maintenance suite - all geek to me.
>>>
>>> What I want to know is can I safely / should I download and install
>>> this
>>> update on my G4 Powerbook? What about a friend's G3 iBook?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Harry
>>>
>>> Wednesday, November 2, 200510:22 PMJerry Yeagerjerry at browseryshop.com
>>>
>>>> So far there does not seem to a large number of reported problems, 
>>>> so
>>>> if you missed the news, Apple has released a few more updates
>>>> recently including 10.4.3, but you will most likely want a high 
>>>> speed
>>>> connection to download it, as it is around 93MB in size.
>>>>
>>>> Get it via SUPP or from Apple's site.
>>>>
>>>>                    Jerry
>>>>
>>>> -----------------------------------
>>>> Someday, I will come up with a clever signature line. I am not sure
>>>> if I will use it or not, but I will come up with one.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> if I will use it or not, but I will come up with one.
>>
>>
>>
>
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