Well Marta, just stop by the booth and pick up a day pass to "the
underworld" as you call it. Should be loads of entertainment,
especially if you have Fortune installed
http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/11526 (uh this
requires the Developer Tools to be installed to compile this though).
Running the update prebindings script does not really take that long
when it is ran on its own, but when it is running along side of OS
installs, the time required to finish seems to stretch out of
proportion. I guess Apple is a victim of its own success. The
prebindings idea is part of what allows Mac OS-X programs to run so
fast, programs can certainly run without the prebindings being known,
but they take a lot longer to run. It could be that the installer just
looks over the list of known prebindings and a decision is made at some
point to update everything. This does make the system go faster after
it is done, but it can take a while to get it done.
Jerry
On Apr 21, 2005, at 8:53 AM, Marta Edie wrote:
> Jerry, you forever don't cease to amaze me. Due to your suggestions (
> although i had no troubles at all ) I did peek into that black hole of
> terminal , also summoned those contents od the addressbook by clicking
> while holding the control key - well - a new Hades with scribbles of
> terminal charcters appeared from everywhere. Almost need magnifying
> glasses to read, although understanding is nil, ( couldn't they at
> least use a diffeent font system?) - but if you keep it up directing
> people into the underworld, it might just some day eliminate my fear
> of coming out of it again intact , body, sould and computer. Anyhow,
> my addressbook was still intact after the excursion - and before I
> really let this latest sudo-prebinding -root/ -force run , I need to
> know how much time I might be wasting - how many cups of coffee might
> be required to sit and watch? And how can installers be so arbitrary
> or hard headed to rerun something on their own , rather than the
> administrator's terms?
> Marta
> On Apr 21, 2005, at 0:33, Jerry Yeager wrote:
>
>> It sounds like during the install, the installer decided it needed to
>> update the pre-bindings for everything again. This happens every now
>> and then for odd reasons.
>> Pre-bindings are how all of the various programs, program parts,
>> libraries, etc. know about each other and get used by each other. In
>> 10.0 this updating was done by hand, (and essentially in 10.1 as well
>> - though the installer was supposed to take care of it). Starting in
>> 10.2 Apple changed the way this was handled, because to update the
>> pre-bindings on the whole system, during an install takes a lot of
>> time.
>>
>> It looks like you ran into one of those now and then situations where
>> it (the installer) decided to update the whole system again instead
>> of just a few items.
>>
>> If you want to see this done by hand and waste some time, open the
>> Terminal app and type in
>> sudo update_prebinding -root / -force
>>
>> You will be asked for your admin password. Be prepared to watch weird
>> sayings and obscure listings go scrolling up the terminal window. It
>> can be amusing for the first few minutes, fascinating for a few more,
>> but eh, it usually loses its fun value after a while. Unless it is
>> raining on a Tuesday morning in February in Bismarck at the airport.
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>> On Apr 20, 2005, at 3:42 PM, Alex Whitman wrote:
>>
>>> Ward and Jerry,
>>>
>>> Yes, I did a disk repair, and no Firewire devices were even the the
>>> same room.
>>>
>>> Somehow, while I was typing my SOS message and waiting for your
>>> replies, it fixed itself. It seemed to need 30 minutes to get its
>>> bits in order. I have Finder back and trashed PithHelmet. Safari is
>>> running fine.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the help; sorry for the false alarm. You guys are great.
>>>
>>> Alex
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 20, 2005, at 3:18 PM, Ward Oldham wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey Alex,
>>>>
>>>> Did you perform a disk repair (directory repair) first?
>>>> Did you install the update with all firewire devices disconnected?
>>>> Will Safari run without the Finder? (it should) ?and if so, try
>>>> downloading and installing the combo version of the 10.3.9 update.
>>>>
>>>> Ward
>>>>
>>>> Ward Oldham, MacDude
>>>> MacTown
>>>> 1041 Bardstown Road
>>>> Louisville, KY ?40204
>>>> 502-485-1243
>>>> ward at mactown.us
>>>> http://www.mactown.us
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: ahw <alylex at mac.com>
>>>> Reply-To: <macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu>
>>>> Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 14:54:37 -0400
>>>> To: <macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu>
>>>> Subject: MacGroup: 10.3.9 - no finder
>>>>
>>>> I just installed the updates, 10.3.9 and the Security pack, on my G4
>>>> iBook.
>>>>
>>>> Repaired permissions
>>>> Ran MacJanitor to take care of cron jobs
>>>> turned off all other apps
>>>> installed the updates from Software Update
>>>> allowed it to restart itself (this took a very long time)
>>>>
>>>> The dock, wallpaper, and desktop icons look just like they should,
>>>> but
>>>> there is no top menu bar. The day/time, volume control, etc appear
>>>> in
>>>> the upper right corner of the screen where they should be, but
>>>> there's
>>>> no grey stripe and no blue apple, or any of the other options that
>>>> should be in the upper left. Apple Mail is working, can be accessed
>>>> from the dock, and has a top menu bar. Safari is crashing instantly
>>>> because of Pith Helmet. I would just trash Pith Helmet, but I can't
>>>> seem to open a Finder window. I would repair permissions again,
>>>> but I
>>>> don't know how to get there either.
>>>>
>>>> When no apps are open, the spinning multi-chromatic beachball
>>>> spins and
>>>> spins and spins.
>>>>
>>>> What am I missing? How do I get into Finder? I appeal to those in
>>>> the
>>>> know.
>>>>
>>>> Sigh. Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Alex Whitman
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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