On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 07:39:28AM +0100, Keith J. Schultz wrote:
> Xcode 4 supports 10.5!
> Xcode 4 supports iOS 4.3!
> 
> I do not see M$ offering a Development system for free. 

Er, actually: http://www.microsoft.com/express/Windows/

> Lion is out in beta!
> 
> regards
>       Keith.
--Greg

> Am 11.03.2011 um 12:22 schrieb Bayard Bell:
> 
> > Agreed. Xcode 4 looks to be there for Lion support, so it's logical that it 
> > would drop support for 10.5 and any platforms that don't have support after 
> > that point. When Apple introduced Leopard, they weren't even shipping 
> > PPC-based systems anymore, and it's now getting on five years since the 
> > Power Mac G5 was discontinued. Now, as Snow Leopard removed PPC as a 
> > default part of universal builds, I expect that PPC support has been 
> > diminished by Snow Leopard uptake. (As far as these things go, it would be 
> > easier to support platform/OS transitions if Apple had terms for supporting 
> > virtualised non-server installs.) Renewing commitment to PPC after Lion 
> > transition wouldn't just be a significant commitment and a change of 
> > direction but would have to start from a capacity that has atrophied for 
> > some years.
> > 
> > On the other hand, we're talking about a compiler suite that's just shipped 
> > with a relationship to an as-yet unshipped OS that hasn't been clarified by 
> > Apple. I certainly wouldn't expect it to "just work" at this stage, and, 
> > although its introduction will require some decisions to be made about 
> > transition issues, about all that can be tabled at this point is background 
> > on policy and history, which doesn't establish more than preferences and 
> > how people arrive at them.
> > 
> > On a separate note, I think it's pretty lame to have to buy a compiler 
> > suite license in addition to an OS license. If you want to charge for the 
> > IDE, fine, but in that case, please provide a separate free distribution of 
> > the compiler suite. Taken together with Apple's terms for in-app payments 
> > and content subscriptions, Apple is clearly moving from revenue sharing to 
> > rent seeking from developers and putting a squeeze on FOSS development for 
> > its platform in the process, which is a most unwelcome turn.
> > 
> > On 11 Mar 2011, at 09:46, Rainer M?ller wrote:
> > 
> >> On 03/11/2011 10:28 AM, Panayotis Katsaloulis wrote:
> >>> I believe it should be important to keep PPC compatibility and
> >>> somehow automate the process of "keeping" the old SDK files... 
> >> 
> >> Xcode 4 is for Snow Leopard only which does not support ppc anymore.
> >> Lion is going to be around soon. MacPorts usually supports the latest
> >> two releases of Mac OS X, which will become Snow Leopard and Lion. None
> >> of them runs on ppc anymore, so in the context of MacPorts I don't think
> >> it is worth to support compiling for ppc with Xcode 4.
> >> 
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