Interesting... a nice reference for all those bridgesupport method parameters :)
Its nice but not what hit me about ruby... especially this http://mislav.uniqpath.com/poignant-guide/ persevere until dwemthy's array. classes inhereting from a functions gave me a headache :) I have gone from being hunched up and worried about types etc. to being very relaxed and froody... I'm not even sure I could go back to adding semi colons to the end of a line :) Terry On 1/04/2011, at 9:23 AM, Matt Massicotte wrote: > On Mar 31, 2011, at 12:47 PM, Terry Moore wrote: > >> I for one would like to see some examples of objc meta programming. > > Here's a good place to start looking. > > http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/ObjCRuntimeGuide/Introduction/Introduction.html > > In particular, there are functions you can use for generating classes and > methods at runtime, including modifying classes already present. Though, > that's often done much more easily using categories. You can even do > method_missing-style magic, but not nearly as nicely as in Ruby. > >> >> Standard ruby is built with c are you saying c has some meta programming >> capabilities because of this. >> >> An example like attr_accessor. I know objc 2 now has properties. >> >> I also know some aspects of ruby are scary 'eval' and re opening classes but >> can you load objc source compile and run it aka 'eval'. >> >> All I'm trying to say here is that ruby has a place and with the macruby >> implementation you have nothing to lose by trying some ruby. Mix it up a >> little and have some fun too. >> >> Terry Moore >> >> On 1/04/2011, at 7:59 AM, Matt Massicotte <massico...@apple.com> wrote: >> >>> On Mar 31, 2011, at 11:41 AM, Terry Moore wrote: >>> >>>> Well it would appear that Macruby is just not ready for real development. >>>> >>>> I for one have some faith that Macruby is good enough now and will be >>>> language of choice in the future. >>>> >>>> There are no barriers to you mixing external frameworks or adding objc >>>> classes. >>>> >>>> Ruby as a language has many features that you can grow into that objc >>>> doesn't ( meta programming). >>> >>> This has come up more than once today. ObjC is capable of a lot more >>> meta-programming than people are giving it credit for. The Objective-C >>> runtime is, afterall, what MacRuby is built on. However, Ruby's >>> meta-programming support is significantly simpler, making it easier to both >>> use and abuse :) >>> >>>> >>>> If you use a standard version of ruby there is nothing to stop even a c >>>> hacker using 'the latest' libraries and putting a simple wrapper on. >>>> >>>> Ruby has become an umbrella for all my work from admin support to web >>>> development. And now with macruby I have desktop apps for Mac. >>>> >>>> Not forgetting jruby of course for any java fans and others like ruinous. >>>> >>>> >>>> So yes on a serious note I would recommend everyone go learn c as a >>>> minimum. But if you just want to have some serious fun go mad with >>>> ruby/macruby. The learning will come by doing. >>>> >>>> Terry Moore >>>> >>>> On 31/03/2011, at 11:41 PM, "Thomas R. Koll" <i...@ananasblau.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Am 31.03.2011 um 10:26 schrieb Jean-Denis Muys: >>>>>> >>>>>> I will be blunt: stay away from MacRuby and go with Objective-C. >>>>> >>>>> I say, if you don't know either Ruby or Objective-C yet, stay away from >>>>> MacRuby. >>>>> >>>>> All those ruby dev who like me are most likely coming from webdevelopment, >>>>> dive into this new world of desktop applications. It's a fascinating >>>>> world. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> - Less applicable resources for learning: less examples, less books, >>>>>> less blog posts, less people to help you out. >>>>> >>>>> Which is great if you are able and willing to fill those gaps. >>>>> Open Source is not only about using what exists but also to >>>>> add something new to it. >>>>> Over time you will get deeper and more profund understanding. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Now the MacRuby journey might taste a lot better, depending on you. And >>>>>> if for you "the reward is the _journey_", you might consider it. >>>>> >>>>> +1 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> - One thing is for sure: demand for iOS Ruby programmers is zero. >>>>> >>>>> Which might be subject to change. >>>>> Don't forget, the only two things keeping MacRuby from iOS is >>>>> the lack of a garbage collector and the App Store policy about >>>>> programming languages. >>>>> Both in the hands of Apple, just like MacRuby itself. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> MacRuby-devel mailing list >>>>> MacRuby-devel@lists.macosforge.org >>>>> http://lists.macosforge.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/macruby-devel >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> MacRuby-devel mailing list >>>> MacRuby-devel@lists.macosforge.org >>>> http://lists.macosforge.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/macruby-devel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> MacRuby-devel mailing list >>> MacRuby-devel@lists.macosforge.org >>> http://lists.macosforge.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/macruby-devel >> _______________________________________________ >> MacRuby-devel mailing list >> MacRuby-devel@lists.macosforge.org >> http://lists.macosforge.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/macruby-devel > > _______________________________________________ > MacRuby-devel mailing list > MacRuby-devel@lists.macosforge.org > http://lists.macosforge.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/macruby-devel _______________________________________________ MacRuby-devel mailing list MacRuby-devel@lists.macosforge.org http://lists.macosforge.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/macruby-devel
