Hi Ben, I am writing an OS X project that relies on Metaprogramming and Reflection. Does not seem like RubMotion is an option for me. All the best, David
On May 16, 2013, at 10:05 PM, Carolyn Ann Grant wrote: > Thanks, Mark! > > Yeah, I know the price is more than reasonable, Mark, it's just that right > now, we're not in a position to afford much of anything. Without getting too > personal, we're still digging out from the Great Recession, which hit my > family pretty hard. (As they say in DC, "mistakes were made", and I seem to > have gone out of my way to make sure they were doozies!) I agree that HipByte > is likely to work toward their own success; I'll definitely be looking at > them when I can. > > I think at this point, I have to stick to Objective-C, as much as I really > don't want to. Ruby is just so much better! As for why, I need to have > confidence that I'm not investing a large amount of time and effort into > something that I'll have to abandon when OS X 10.9 comes out. I've chased > more than a few promising technologies, only to see them wither on the vine, > so to speak. I've made such a habit of it, that I was beginning to think that > if I was interested in something, it was likely on its way out! At this > point, I simply can't afford to do that again. So while I'm not delighted to > be writing code in Obj-C, at least I know it's going to be around for a few > years. And I don't have to try and figure out what I did wrong with bridge > support files, etc. > > I am disappointed, and I do wish I had the time and knowledge to further > MacRuby, but I have to prioritize what gets my attention and what I'd like to > do but can't. > > Thank you, all! :-) > > /Carolyn > > On May 16, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Mark Villacampa <markv...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I'm a longtime RubyMotion user, and MacRuby user before that. I want to >> share my view as to what is the current status of MacRuby and what can >> happen in the future. >> >> The momentum around MacRuby has been inexistent for almost a year and a >> half. That is, since Laurent Sansonetti (the original creator of MacRuby) >> left Apple, and that left the project without maintainers who were being >> paid to work on it. Only Watson and a couple other maintainers have been >> doing maintenance work and fixing a couple of bugs. >> >> Since nobody is being paid to maintain it, and (AFAIK) there is no >> company/individual whose main/critical systems depended on MacRuby, nobody >> has taken over the project. This is pretty much a chicken-egg situation. >> >> That said, a year ago, Laurent launched RubyMotion, a product based on >> MacRuby which introduces many new features, such as an ARC based memory >> model, and iOS support (dropping OSX support). Just a few days ago, in the >> first anniversary of RubyMotion, they introduced OSX support. >> >> Rubymotion is not open source, and the license costs 200$, plus an annual >> renewal fee of 99$. Two reasons that people sometimes argue for not >> investing in RM are: >> >> - "It's closed source, it might disappear at any moment": Actually, >> RubyMotion is probably more likely to stay in the long term than MacRuby was >> at the beginning. Despite Apple being a huge company, MacRuby was kind of an >> experiment that they could kill at any moment. For HipByte (the company >> behind Rubymotion), Rubymotion is its main product and the one that pays its >> employees. They are way more interested in watching RM succeed than Apple >> was in watching MacRuby succeed. >> >> - "It's too expensive": for playing around or releasing a pet project or >> free app that is not one of your ways of income, that might be the case. >> However, for a company or individual that wants to develop a product from >> which they hope to get some revenue, that price is ridiculous. I've seen PHP >> libraries for creating web forms more expensive than RubyMotion (nothing >> against those libraries). We're talking about a static compiler and a whole >> toolchain for developing iOS apps. If you're a student and want to play >> around with RubyMotion, there is a student discount available (send them an >> email for more information). >> >> So my conclusion is: If you want to develop OSX applications and you liked >> MacRuby, invest in getting a RubyMotion license, you probably won't be >> disappointed. >> >> Mark. >> >> On Thursday, May 16, 2013 at 8:01 PM, Christopher S Martin wrote: >> >>> They recently added support for OS X to rubymotion: >>> http://blog.rubymotion.com/post/49943751398/rubymotion-goes-2-0-and-gets-os-x-support-templates >>> That said, since rubymotion is (I believe) based off of macruby with some >>> additions specifically around static compilation of apps, I don't know if >>> the issues around GC/ARC would be any better in rubymotion on OS X, as I've >>> only used it for iOS. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Jeff Dyck <fsjj...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Just wanted to add a ditto to this - I'm looking at migrating some old >>>> AppleScript Studio projects to MacRuby - my initial testing about a year >>>> ago was great, but it seems the stability of MacRuby as a development >>>> platform is in question to me at least... I've already been abandoned by >>>> AppleScript Studio, don't really want to have to go through relearning a >>>> new language and migrating projects a third time. >>>> >>>> I'm seeing a few comments on RubyMotion - does that work for developing OS >>>> X projects as well? I was under the impression that was for iOS only, but >>>> I can't say I've looked into it much. >>>> >>>> Jeff >>>> >>>> On May 16, 2013, at 10:40 AM, Michael Shantzis <mich...@shantzis.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> > Hello all (and especially Carolyn), >>>> > >>>> > I just want to say that I have the same question, specifically regarding >>>> > the >>>> > GC/ARC issue. >>>> > >>>> > The context in which this came up was very revealing. I had been >>>> > developing a >>>> > fairly complex Cocoa project (ARC enabled) and decided that I had to add >>>> > some tests. >>>> > Using MacRuby seemed like the natural solution. I quickly noticed, >>>> > though, that I >>>> > couldn't. >>>> > >>>> > Is there still any momentum behind MacRuby? Is there any solution to >>>> > the issue >>>> > of mixing it with ARC? I really hope the answer to these two questions >>>> > is "yes." >>>> > >>>> > Thank you, >>>> > Michael Shantzis >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On May 16, 2013, at 8:32 AM, Carolyn Ann Grant >>>> > <carolyn.ann.gr...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> Hi, I've got a question about the future of MacRuby. I like it, and >>>> >> have started working on a project or two using it, but I've been >>>> >> reading about GC and ARC, Ruby 2.0, RubyMotion and so on, and wonder >>>> >> where MacRuby is going? I'm quite concerned because I've put a good >>>> >> amount of time into my MacRuby projects. >>>> >> >>>> >> I wish I had the knowledge and skill to help with MacRuby - I really do >>>> >> like it! - but unfortunately I don't. I also don't want to invest a lot >>>> >> of further time in MacRuby if it's not going anywhere. (And I really >>>> >> can't spare the $200 it would take to buy RubyMotion.) >>>> >> >>>> >> I know this comes across as a bit impertinent, but I really would like >>>> >> to know what's happening with MacRuby development. 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