Hi Esther, thank you for your extensive answer. So here is some more information about my setup:
I got the iPod in November last year and let my wife set the language to German. I created some playlists with music which should be synchronized to the iPod. For this I wanted to set the mode to sync only playlists which are checked in the settings area (I knew this option from the manual). The tabs look like I have described: with VO only the general settings were spooken correctly, the other tabs all have the check boxes for syncing programs. The iTunes version was 8.0.1. My wife said that the settings were shown correctly so she made the changes for me with the mouse. I hoped that following updates of iTunes or Mac OS X will solve this problem but nothing has changed until today (I also have had installed iTunes 8.0.2 and currently 8.1). The spoken menus of the iPod and the other iTunes features work normally. There is no problem to sync the iPod (all songs are transfered and the corresponding menu entries are generated), it's only the accessibility of the settings area. I have checked "Sync only checked songs and videos" on the Summary page but the checkboxes/radioboxes for "Sync music" and "Sync selected playlists" could not be seen by VO (only the "sync programs"/"sync all programs" checkboxes with German translation). The other GUI elements you told don't exist for me but they are visible for a seeing person. I also have an old iPod shuffle for which the settings are all accessible with VO. Tomorrow I will try to check the error with a new test user and repairing the permissions and post my progress... Thanks so far, Pierre ----- Original Message ----- From: Esther To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 4:47 PM Subject: Re: Broken settings area for Nano 4G in German iTunes Hi Pierre, You wrote: Hi folks, I have a strange behaviour of VO in my German localised iTunes. In the settings area for the iPod Nano 4G only the general tab works correctly. On the other tabs (music, videos,...) VO always recognizes two check boxes ("sync programs" aand "sync all programs") and an empty table. Esther: Can you give a few more details about your setup? For example, what options do you have checked on the Summary tab of your Nano 4G (are you manually managing your music and videos or have you checked the box to sync only checked songs and videos)? Is this the first time you're setting up your iPod Nano 4G? Did you recently upgrade your iTunes version to 8.1? (When you say the problem exists in iTunes 8.0, had you first tried to use the Nano 4G with iTunes 8.0.2?) Pierre: The statistic for kapacity and the sync button are always spoken correctly and all other stuff in iTunes works fine with VO. This problem exists in iTunes 8.0 and 8.1, beside this I have the German Infovox 1.3 installed on my Leopard (changing the voice has no effect on this issue). From your list and Google it seems that this doesn't happen with a English system. Is there anyone how has a sollution for this? Greetings from Stuttgart It shouldn't matter if you are using the German Infovox iVox voice. The Nano 4G's spoken menus use the voice and speech rate selected for Text to Speech under the Speech menu of System Preferences, on the popup menu button for the system voice on the Text to Speech tab. I've tried the French voice with my Nano. I haven't upgraded iTunes to 8.1 yet, so my suggestions are based on running the previous version 8.0.2 with a Nano 4g. The capacity bar scroll area and the sync button are separate from the different tabs in the iPod settings scroll area. and are always displayed, regardless of selected settings tab (Summary, Music, Movies, TV Shows, Podcasts, etc.) If I select the music tab (VO-Right from the Summary tab and press with VO-Space to select) and VO-right arrow in the pane (or VO-down arrow from the Music tab) I'll hear: Sync music (unchecked or checked) checkbox Sync all songs and playlists radio button Sync selected playlists radio button Playlists table Include music videos checkbox Display album artwork on your iPod checkbox Some of these items may be dimmed, if you've chosen to manually manage your music and videos, but you'll still hear them announced. If you have checked "Sync only checked songs and videos" on the Summary page, have you checked the "Sync music" checkbox and selected the "Sync selected playlists" radio button? The playlists table is a scrolling table. When I interact with the playlists table I hear Audiobooks, Purchased playlist, folders (playlist folders were created), smart playlists, and regular playlists. To check and select playlists you may need to start scrolling with VO-Shift-S to access and check entries that extend beyond the visible area of the table after every 7 or 8 lines and press escape to leave scrolling mode. What happens when you try connecting the nano to another iTunes library on your computer? I keep a test account that I use to check when problems are account specific -- perhaps due to a corrupted set of preferences settings associated with an application on my user account -- or genuine bugs in the operating system. Have you previously used an iPod with iTunes? If so, were you able to view table contents on the music and other tabs in the iPod settings scroll area using VoiceOver? The table entries should be viewable. If they're not, another way you can try putting content on your iPod is by putting it into manually managed mode by checking that option on the Summary page, selecting some tracks from your library, copying them from the songs table, and then navigating to the iPod in the sources table and doing a paste with Command-V. It's easy to use playlists you've created and just "select all" and copy from the songs table with Command-A and Command-C. Or, after selecting your Music Library in the source table you can toggle on the Browser (Command-B) and find tracks by selecting entries from the genre, artists, or albums columns, then navigating to the songs table and selecting all and copying (without creating first creating a playlist) for entries to paste to your iPod. Then try checking what happens when you navigate to the iPod device in the sources table, expand it with VO-backslash and arrow down through the libraries under the device. The entries appear to be like the ones for your main iTunes library, but the contents are specific to the categories under your iPod -- so "Music" holds music entries on your iPod and similarly for "Movies", "Podcasts", "Audiobooks", and "Playlists". They work the same way as for your main iTunes source table entries -- you select them and then tab or use VO-right arrow to navigate to the songs table to view their contents. Actually, I'm not sure how to expand or collapse folders with VoiceOver on a German language input keyboard, since the backslash character is not readily available without using an option key sequence. On a U.S. or U.K. English language keyboard the backslash character is the key furthest to the right, under the delete key and above the return key. VO-backslash is used to open or collapse folders or disclosure triangles. On a German language keyboard, and many others, the key below the delete key is used for accents. In experiments with switched input language keyboards I couldn't figure out how to activate this sequence -- locking the VoiceOver keys with VO-semi-colon and then separately typing the sequence didn't seem to work; I had to switch back to an English language input keyboard to type the sequence. It might be possible to assign such problem keyboard sequences to a key on your numpad if you use NumPad Commander and either have a full keyboard or an attached numeric keypad. I don't remember whether the iPod device is collapsed or expanded by default when it is first connected. If the VO-backslash combination is a problem, write back and we'll walk you through this. Even though your iTunes library contents are correctly viewable apart from the panes when the Nano is connected, another thing you might try is the general fix of using Disk Utility and repairing file permissions on your computer. To repair permissions, from finder, use Command-Shift-U to go to the Utilities folder, quickly type "d i s" to go to Disk Utility, and open the app with Command-down arrow or Command-o. Tab to the sidebar to select your disk -- "Macintosh HD", then tab to "First Aid", which should come up as the selected tab -- if not, select it with VO-space. Tab to the "Repair Disk Permissions" button and press with VO-space. Repairing permissions under Leopard can take a while -- at least several minutes. VO-up arrow to the table to read details of the permissions repair and VO-right arrow monitor the progress indicator, which initially will just stay very busy as it starts to access the permissions database. Move off and on this field to get updated information. Finally, it's possible that if you can't get content onto your Nano that there is a hardware problem and you need to get in touch with Apple. I would first try some of the above suggestions. If you can get content onto your Nano, but the table entries still are not viewable, I might try switching input language keyboards to English (while keeping your German localization for the app). You can also create a user account that uses English localization, but based on the description of your problem, with the absence of just the table entries, it seems likely that something else may be going on here. In a few cases, the Nano 4Gs have locked up iTunes during the installation, requiring force quitting iTunes with the Option-Command-Escape sequence to bring up the force quit window. In those instances, when iTunes is restarted, the device is simply recognized and all the options on the tabs, including the tables of playlists and podcasts show up. You can read through some of the nano setup problem posts from the Mail archive site for this list (before January 29, 2009 when this list moved to Google Groups): http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg42423.html (Re: blank screen during nano setup:) That site supports access keys, so you can read the next post in the thread by pressing "Control-n" in Safari on your Mac. It also has a very nice searchable archive interface. Just tab to the text field on any page, type in your search terms, and press return. Here's another post that might be helpful: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg42109.html (observations on manually transferring playlists to ipod nano) Again, you can read down the thread with Control-n. (I located this by typing "from:Simon nano table" into the search text, because I recalled that Simon had posted about the scrolling table on the nano 4g. After selecting the link for the desired post, I used Command-L, Command-C to go to the URL address field for the post and copy it for pasting into this post after switching from Safari to mail with Command-Tab.) You may need sighted help to set the language to German on the Nano. I've read that Windows users who don't turn on the iPod when they go through the setup will automatically get English (the topmost setting in the language list and the default position setting of 4g Nanos sold in the U.S. if you don't play with the scroll wheel settings on this menu -- or alternatively, if you make sure to scroll your finger counterclockwise around the wheel until it stops clicking to put it back to the top setting. The German language menu is five clicks clockwise from this position. The language menu list entries are not announced -- probably because some of the entries like Greek, Chinese, Japanese, and Russian use non-Roman characters that can't be announced in the regular text to speech setup. You can also download a User's Guide from the Apple Support manuals page for the iPod: http://www.apple.com/support/manuals/ipod/index.html Here's the German version in PDF format: http://manuals.info.apple.com/de_DE/iPod_nano_4th_gen_Benutzerhandbuch.pdf the English version is: http://manuals.info.apple.com/en_US/iPod_nano_4th_gen_UserGuide.pdf In general, you can find manuals for all your Apple products from: http://www.apple.com/support/manuals/ either by typing in the product description in the text field, or entering the product serial number. Hope this helps. Cheers, Esther --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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