Well there I think we'll agree. I think however one of Apple's strengths is they not only will listen, but will try to find a solution that will serve all our needs. There is no question a lot of work has to be done and Pages is a very good example. I did find some small improvements, but I have to admit I think they might be improvements, but since I have not used it extensively, I can't be sure. I hope they will address some of these areas because it is one of the things holding me up yet a little longer in making the move from the PC to the Mac at work. Oh I want that more than ever. All I can say is keep the feedback flowing because nothing will get done for better or worse if the feedback doesn't continue. On Jun 8, 2009, at 6:50 PM, Barry Hadder wrote:
> > Hay Scott, > > I think we both made our points. my main reason for continuing it > was to > try to make a point that on some very basic level there needs to be a > consensus as to what is accessible. I think Apple is doing allot of > very > cool things right now but I still seem to be aware of a disconnect > between > the blind person using the technology and the sited engineer > designing it. > I feel that at least some of this may very well be caused by so much > confusing feed-back that they receive as to what people find > acceptable. > That being said though, there are things that they have done in > regards to a > blind user that has totally amazed me. On the other hand, There are > other > things that I found frustrating. After observing them for a year > now, I've > decided that they are actually interested so hopefully what we see > and what > the developer sees will become much more indistinguishable. But I > think > that is going to take a high degree of thoughtfulness on our part as > to what > we report to them. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Howell" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 5:18 PM > Subject: Re: Pages and VoiceOver > > >> >> Perhaps that is the point I did n't make clear. There are some >> aspects >> that some may find difficult to navigate, but I myself may not. So, >> perhaps that is more my point than whether it is accessible or not. I >> understand what your saying, but I also submit that some find the >> navigation difficult and that may very well make it seem as though it >> is not accessible when it is. So, yeah, this is a thread really not >> worth continuing, but I am sure you see where I'm going. >> >> On Jun 8, 2009, at 4:03 PM, Barry Hadder wrote: >> >>> >>> Scott, >>> >>> I don't know what you mean as to what is accessible to one might not >>> be to >>> another. It either works or it doesn't. If your are suggesting >>> that >>> accessibility is determined on someone's opinion, I have to >>> disagree. If a >>> screen can be read and manipulated with voice over, than it is >>> accessible >>> with VO. Otherwise, it isn't. It isn't determined on the bases of >>> somebody's opinion or VO skills. Whether or not a person likes it, >>> or if >>> the app in question can be made to work more productively is >>> something else >>> all together. Also, if a person is also deaf and there isn't a >>> driver >>> available for their Braille display, then that would be an >>> accessibility >>> issue. >>> >>> I don't mean to belabor the point, but I think it is important to >>> avoid >>> ambiguity when ever possible. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Scott Howell" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 6:13 PM >>> Subject: Re: Pages and VoiceOver >>> >>> >>>> >>>> I think you make some valid arguments, but remember that what is >>>> accessible to one may not be to another. So, there are many aspects >>>> of >>>> iWOrk 09, which are accessible and others which need work and no >>>> argument there. So, you may not always get the feedback or response >>>> you want from Apple, but I think nine out of 10 times they take the >>>> reports and filter them to the appropriate folks. Unfortunately, >>>> the >>>> one thing we don't know is what the level of feedback/issues >>>> reported >>>> are or the size of the staff handling them. So, I agree with you, >>>> but >>>> remember the level of accessibility will vary from person to person >>>> based on what one considers accessible. Do keep the feedback coming >>>> and bug the hell out of them. :) >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> >> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
