Hi, Since SL hit the streets on Friday there has been a bit of chatter on this and other general purpose VO/Mac related lists about AppleScript and other programming tools and issues. I like reading these because I'm a crusty old hacker with deep running geek tendencies; on the other hand, I would bet that most people really don't care as they will never attempt to write a program or a VO script.
I encourage everyone to do some sort of beginner programming tutorial as just writing one or two very simple programs will help them understand how and why computers do the things they do. Such will also build affinity for the other application developers and the gang at Apple who bring us VO which will help one learn to be patient when your favorite bug gets ignored for a pretty long time. With that said, though, I would assume that the average person really doesn't want to touch on programming in a system language or do any scripting. Furthermore, they probably don't want to read what can look like Chinese to the uninitiated. So, I propose an apple-hackers list for those of us who like a little silicon under the fingernails so we can share ideas, techniques and lend each other code so as to promote development and avoid wasting time. Anything I do will be GPL so people can download it from SVN on hofstader.com (when I get it set up) and others will have their own ways of distributing things. This has worked for the JAWS scripting and programming blind mailing lists for over a decade and we members of one or both of them have had the enjoyment of watching high school hackers go onto get a degree and enter the workforce partially because we old-timers smack them around a bit while pointing them in the right direction. The reason I don't recommend programming blind for us Macsters is that it is almost 100% Windows and GNU/Linux people there and a sudden invasion of Mac people might make some people pretty uncomfortable as we're adding an entirely new platform to the mix and they neither know the answers nor, in most cases, have a Mac around to help us with our problem. What do you folks think? cdh Less than 1/2 cups... On Sep 1, 2009, at 6:08 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: > > > XCode is an Integrated Development Environment for writing Mac OS X > and iPhone applications. It has nothing whatsoever to do with X11, and > is indeed quite accessible with VoiceOver. > > On Sep 1, 2009, at 10:34 AM, James & Nash wrote: > >> >> Xcode is for the X11 windowing manager and tools which are Unix/ >> Linux tools >> and not accessible with VO. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "william lomas" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 4:50 PM >> Subject: Re: apple script and vo >> >> >>> >>> >>> install x code >>> On 1 Sep 2009, at 16:32, Marie Howarth wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> no developers tools, there was an optional install but x code was >>>> the >>>> only thing there. very confusing. lol >>>> >>>> On Sep 1, 2009, at 4:21 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Perhaps it is an optional install in SL? try putting in the >>>>> install >>>>> DVD maybe under developer tools. >>>>> >>>>> Let us know. >>>>> >>>>> Jon >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 1, 2009, at 11:01 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> permissions was set to system but it says there are no items in >>>>>> the >>>>>> folder. hmm, how could I fix this? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 1, 2009, at 3:50 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Permission problem maybe? In general unix, if the "X" >>>>>>> permission is >>>>>>> not set on a directory one can not navigate to it. Use command- >>>>>>> i on >>>>>>> the directory and see what that says... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2009, at 10:41 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> that's the thing, I can't even find the apple script editor. >>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>> is in my apps folder is a folder called apple script and I >>>>>>>> cannot >>>>>>>> open >>>>>>>> this folder no matter what I do. used to be able to in leopard, >>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> SL. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2009, at 3:17 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello, you need to use the scripteditor to edit your apple >>>>>>>>> scripts. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Is there a specific function you are interested in? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A very basic apple script is: >>>>>>>>> tell application "Mail" >>>>>>>>> activate >>>>>>>>> end tell >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> These three lines would start the mail application and make it >>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>> current application. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best wishes, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jon >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2009, at 12:30 PM, Marie Howarth wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> OK, I want to use apple script to set up some options on the >>>>>>>>>> keyboard >>>>>>>>>> commander. But how do I do that? apple script is a folder >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>> matter what I do, I canot get to open. it takes me back to >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> devices >>>>>>>>>> in sidebar for some odd reason, no matter how I try to open >>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>> help would be greatly appreciated. I want to take advantage >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> using >>>>>>>>>> apple script with VO to set up commands, but not sure how to >>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>> any help would be great :) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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