Hi Christina, When you click on the "see all" in the search results for the Store in iTunes 9, the table is still in the HTML area. It's a bit like what you get in iTunes 8 when you run a search from the Power Search menu that you can access from the "Store" menu of the iTunes menu bar (VO- M; press "S"; arrow down and press "S" to get to the "Search" option and press return), or that you can navigate to by using item chooser menu on the iTunes home page or the various music, movie, audiobooks, etc. pages when you look for the "Power Search" link.
When you look for results of the search that are in the HTML area -- say, "Albums", and you VO-Right Arrow past that heading category, you'll also find a "see all" link. When you press that link (VO- Space), you get an entire HTML page of album results and no songs table when you stop interacting and VO-Down arrow from the HTML area. There are also links to navigate to the next page if there are too many results to display on a single page. However, what's different is that the album listings are shown in grid view mode instead of list view mode in the HTML area, and since the information about artists etc. is grouped by the grid entry, you can't sort as you can on a table where the data is summarized in columns. In iTunes 9, the table is still in the HTML area. I think it takes somewhat longer to refresh and display in HTML format than it does for a list in plain text, but it's not a terrible difference. I'm guessing that Anna had difficulties previewing the later songs in a long list on the main search results page, because they probably put the song results into a scrolling table to occupy less space, while still displaying the album, music videos, other artist, etc. search results in the HTML area of the search results page -- just as they do in iTunes 8. On the separate HTML page for the songs table that you get when you press the "See All" link you can still sort on the columns. The only thing is, you have to do it the way that sighted users do by clicking with your mouse or trackpad or using VO-Shift-Space or pressing "5" on the numeric keypad with NumPad Commander, on the title of the column. Probably the big thing is that you can't navigate down the columns (e.g. sort by Artist name and VO-Down arrow) -- at least I can't in Leopard. There are actually some nice features in iTunes 9 -- the big thing being that smart playlists have become much more customizable. Here's a link to an iLounge article about what's new in iTunes 9 followed by a partial excerpt about smart playlists: > > http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/iui/articles/instant-expert-secrets-features-of-itunes-9/ > > <begin excerpt> > Improved Smart Playlist Rules > iTunes 9 finally introduces support for considerably more complex > Smart Playlists. In previous versions of iTunes, a Smart Playlist > could only be built to either match ALL of the listed criteria or > any one of several listed criteria. This meant that you could build > a Smart Playlist that selected all music from your “Rock” genre that > had never been played, but if you wanted to build a Smart Playlist > that selected all Rock and Jazz music that had never been played, > you were out of luck. Power users overcame this in the past by > building nested playlists for multiple levels of criteria. In iTunes > 8 and prior, you would have had to build one Smart Playlist that > included all tracks in either the “Rock” or “Jazz” genre, and then > build a second Smart Playlist that included tracks from the first > Smart Playlist with a Play Count of zero: > <end excerpt> I suspect they'll stay with the songs table in the HTML area for future versions of iTunes 9, but that they'll improve the navigation for VoiceOver in the next minor release. I have to upgrade to iTunes 9 because of its support for the new iPod Touch, and there are new syncing options (including, for iPhone and iPod Touch users, the ability to update iTunes Store apps individually and links to let you check the iTunes Store page descriptions to decide whether you want to upgrade.) HTH Cheers, Esther On Sep 14, 2009, at 08:08, Christina wrote: > > Hi, > > I have a question. I want to make sure I understand. One of the > reasons I have not upgraded to itunes nine is because of the switch in > the itunes store from the songs table to the table being embedded in > the html as an html table. I like the songs table and use the sort > features as well as typing in a few letters to jump down the column. > When you click on the see all, what exactly loads? Is it a songs > table that works as it does in itunes 8 or is it just another table in > html, only more results are displayed? > > Thanks so much and I hope my question makes sense, > Christina > On Sep 14, 2009, at 9:46 AM, Esther wrote: > >> >> Hi Anna, >> >> What I usually do myself is VO-Right arrow from "Songs" to the "See >> all" link and VO-Space. This loads the table of songs onto a new >> page, but takes a while to respond, so if you're looking for a track >> that is likely to be matched within the first dozen or so item >> listed, >> you're better off just doing VO-Right arrow directly into the table. >> When you're on the newly loaded HTML page for the songs list, you'll >> notice that you can VO-Right arrow to a link for "Next page" if the >> results are really long. Also, you can sort on the column headers, >> but >> only if you are on the fields for the headers of each column for the >> table and physically click on the headers with VO-Shift-Space after >> routing your mouse cursor to your VoiceOver cursor (VO-Command-F5). >> Clicking again reverses sort order. I don't recommend doing this >> unless you just like to experiment, since it takes a while to reload, >> and I'm not sure that it adds much to the current search. You can't >> sort with a context menu or through the VoiceOver Commands menu (VO-H >> twice). >> >> I can't VO-Down arrow through any of the columns (in Leopard), for >> instance, to look for a specific Artist when I've done a song search, >> so I think you'd be advised to put in as many fields as you want to >> select by when you use the Power Search. >> >> What may have happened for the first 22 tracks you could preview is >> that you were in a scrolling table that didn't update. That may be >> why we're forced to VO-Right arrow through the individual tracks. >> You >> could try commands like VO-End and VO-Home (to go to end and >> beginning, including scrolling). I think its more robust to press >> "See all" and have the songs table load by itself on to a new page >> instead of working with results embedded in the HTML area containing >> Album results, etc. in terms of working with VoiceOver but it is less >> responsive in terms of having to wait for the new page to load. >> >> >> HTH >> >> Cheers, >> >> Esther >> >> Woody Anna Dresner wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi Esther, >>> >>> Thanks for the directions for finding and previewing tracks. They >>> work >>> well for the most part. I was going through a song list of about 50 >>> songs, and had no trouble previewing the first 22 or so. Then I came >>> to a row where the mouse cursor would not route to the vO cursor; it >>> would only go to the Apple menu. Still, this is way better than no >>> access at all. >>> >>> Best, >>> Anna >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sep 14, 2009, at 12:36 AM, Esther wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hello James, >>>> >>>> The songs table is now inside the HTML area of iTunes. What I do >>>> now >>>> is, once I am in the HTML area, I bring up item chooser menu (VO-I) >>>> and look for "heading level 2 Songs". Then I VO-Right arrow to the >>>> name, time, artist, etc. fields. If you do not have your Mouse >>>> cursor >>>> following your VoiceOver cursor you will have to route it with VO- >>>> Command-F5 when you want to preview the song and click with VO- >>>> Shift- >>>> Space. I also use this method of clicking on the "Buy" field to >>>> make >>>> my purchase. >>>> >>>> HTH. Maybe someone else can make suggestions (I'm not upgraded to >>>> Snow Leopard yet, but am using iTunes 9). >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Esther >>>> >>>> On Sep 13, 2009, James Fettgather wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi to the list. >>>>> >>>>> I am really confused about how to purchase a song using Itunes 9. >>>>> I type a title into the search field, no problem. >>>>> >>>>> Hit Enter. >>>>> >>>>> I can find the HTML portion of the Itunes store without difficulty >>>>> containing all of the albums with the particular song, but the >>>>> songs >>>>> table listing individual songs is simply missing, pressing VO >>>>> right >>>>> arrow simply is showing no song table at all. >>>>> >>>>> Any hints about where the heck is the songs table would sure be >>>>> helpful, and thanks a lot. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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