Thanks so much. I really appreciate it. I imagine I won't be able to hold off on upgrading much longer because itunes 8 has given messages that some features may not be available without upgrading. I really do not want to upgrade at this time though. I don't like too much change at once. I'll wait it out a bit. I do want to get an iphone so I suppose I'll have to update at that time. :) ,
Christina On Sep 14, 2009, at 12:19 PM, Esther wrote: > > Hi Christina, > > When you click on the "see all" in the search results for the Store in > iTunes 9, the table is still in the HTML area. It's a bit like what > you get in iTunes 8 when you run a search from the Power Search menu > that you can access from the "Store" menu of the iTunes menu bar (VO- > M; press "S"; arrow down and press "S" to get to the "Search" option > and press return), or that you can navigate to by using item chooser > menu on the iTunes home page or the various music, movie, audiobooks, > etc. pages when you look for the "Power Search" link. > > When you look for results of the search that are in the HTML area -- > say, "Albums", and you VO-Right Arrow past that heading category, > you'll also find a "see all" link. When you press that link (VO- > Space), you get an entire HTML page of album results and no songs > table when you stop interacting and VO-Down arrow from the HTML area. > There are also links to navigate to the next page if there are too > many results to display on a single page. However, what's different > is that the album listings are shown in grid view mode instead of list > view mode in the HTML area, and since the information about artists > etc. is grouped by the grid entry, you can't sort as you can on a > table where the data is summarized in columns. > > In iTunes 9, the table is still in the HTML area. I think it takes > somewhat longer to refresh and display in HTML format than it does for > a list in plain text, but it's not a terrible difference. I'm guessing > that Anna had difficulties previewing the later songs in a long list > on the main search results page, because they probably put the song > results into a scrolling table to occupy less space, while still > displaying the album, music videos, other artist, etc. search results > in the HTML area of the search results page -- just as they do in > iTunes 8. > > On the separate HTML page for the songs table that you get when you > press the "See All" link you can still sort on the columns. The only > thing is, you have to do it the way that sighted users do by clicking > with your mouse or trackpad or using VO-Shift-Space or pressing "5" on > the numeric keypad with NumPad Commander, on the title of the column. > Probably the big thing is that you can't navigate down the columns > (e.g. sort by Artist name and VO-Down arrow) -- at least I can't in > Leopard. > > There are actually some nice features in iTunes 9 -- the big thing > being that smart playlists have become much more customizable. Here's > a link to an iLounge article about what's new in iTunes 9 followed by > a partial excerpt about smart playlists: > >> >> http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/iui/articles/instant-expert-secrets-features-of-itunes-9/ >> >> <begin excerpt> >> Improved Smart Playlist Rules >> iTunes 9 finally introduces support for considerably more complex >> Smart Playlists. In previous versions of iTunes, a Smart Playlist >> could only be built to either match ALL of the listed criteria or >> any one of several listed criteria. This meant that you could build >> a Smart Playlist that selected all music from your “Rock” genre that >> had never been played, but if you wanted to build a Smart Playlist >> that selected all Rock and Jazz music that had never been played, >> you were out of luck. Power users overcame this in the past by >> building nested playlists for multiple levels of criteria. In iTunes >> 8 and prior, you would have had to build one Smart Playlist that >> included all tracks in either the “Rock” or “Jazz” genre, and then >> build a second Smart Playlist that included tracks from the first >> Smart Playlist with a Play Count of zero: >> > <end excerpt> > > I suspect they'll stay with the songs table in the HTML area for > future versions of iTunes 9, but that they'll improve the navigation > for VoiceOver in the next minor release. I have to upgrade to iTunes > 9 because of its support for the new iPod Touch, and there are new > syncing options (including, for iPhone and iPod Touch users, the > ability to update iTunes Store apps individually and links to let you > check the iTunes Store page descriptions to decide whether you want to > upgrade.) > > HTH > > Cheers, > > Esther > > On Sep 14, 2009, at 08:08, Christina wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> I have a question. I want to make sure I understand. One of the >> reasons I have not upgraded to itunes nine is because of the switch >> in >> the itunes store from the songs table to the table being embedded in >> the html as an html table. I like the songs table and use the sort >> features as well as typing in a few letters to jump down the column. >> When you click on the see all, what exactly loads? Is it a songs >> table that works as it does in itunes 8 or is it just another table >> in >> html, only more results are displayed? >> >> Thanks so much and I hope my question makes sense, >> Christina >> On Sep 14, 2009, at 9:46 AM, Esther wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi Anna, >>> >>> What I usually do myself is VO-Right arrow from "Songs" to the "See >>> all" link and VO-Space. This loads the table of songs onto a new >>> page, but takes a while to respond, so if you're looking for a track >>> that is likely to be matched within the first dozen or so item >>> listed, >>> you're better off just doing VO-Right arrow directly into the table. >>> When you're on the newly loaded HTML page for the songs list, you'll >>> notice that you can VO-Right arrow to a link for "Next page" if the >>> results are really long. Also, you can sort on the column headers, >>> but >>> only if you are on the fields for the headers of each column for the >>> table and physically click on the headers with VO-Shift-Space after >>> routing your mouse cursor to your VoiceOver cursor (VO-Command-F5). >>> Clicking again reverses sort order. I don't recommend doing this >>> unless you just like to experiment, since it takes a while to >>> reload, >>> and I'm not sure that it adds much to the current search. You can't >>> sort with a context menu or through the VoiceOver Commands menu >>> (VO-H >>> twice). >>> >>> I can't VO-Down arrow through any of the columns (in Leopard), for >>> instance, to look for a specific Artist when I've done a song >>> search, >>> so I think you'd be advised to put in as many fields as you want to >>> select by when you use the Power Search. >>> >>> What may have happened for the first 22 tracks you could preview is >>> that you were in a scrolling table that didn't update. That may be >>> why we're forced to VO-Right arrow through the individual tracks. >>> You >>> could try commands like VO-End and VO-Home (to go to end and >>> beginning, including scrolling). I think its more robust to press >>> "See all" and have the songs table load by itself on to a new page >>> instead of working with results embedded in the HTML area containing >>> Album results, etc. in terms of working with VoiceOver but it is >>> less >>> responsive in terms of having to wait for the new page to load. >>> >>> >>> HTH >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Esther >>> >>> Woody Anna Dresner wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hi Esther, >>>> >>>> Thanks for the directions for finding and previewing tracks. They >>>> work >>>> well for the most part. I was going through a song list of about 50 >>>> songs, and had no trouble previewing the first 22 or so. Then I >>>> came >>>> to a row where the mouse cursor would not route to the vO cursor; >>>> it >>>> would only go to the Apple menu. Still, this is way better than no >>>> access at all. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Anna >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sep 14, 2009, at 12:36 AM, Esther wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hello James, >>>>> >>>>> The songs table is now inside the HTML area of iTunes. What I do >>>>> now >>>>> is, once I am in the HTML area, I bring up item chooser menu (VO- >>>>> I) >>>>> and look for "heading level 2 Songs". Then I VO-Right arrow to >>>>> the >>>>> name, time, artist, etc. fields. If you do not have your Mouse >>>>> cursor >>>>> following your VoiceOver cursor you will have to route it with VO- >>>>> Command-F5 when you want to preview the song and click with VO- >>>>> Shift- >>>>> Space. I also use this method of clicking on the "Buy" field to >>>>> make >>>>> my purchase. >>>>> >>>>> HTH. Maybe someone else can make suggestions (I'm not upgraded to >>>>> Snow Leopard yet, but am using iTunes 9). >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Esther >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 13, 2009, James Fettgather wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi to the list. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am really confused about how to purchase a song using Itunes 9. >>>>>> I type a title into the search field, no problem. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hit Enter. >>>>>> >>>>>> I can find the HTML portion of the Itunes store without >>>>>> difficulty >>>>>> containing all of the albums with the particular song, but the >>>>>> songs >>>>>> table listing individual songs is simply missing, pressing VO >>>>>> right >>>>>> arrow simply is showing no song table at all. >>>>>> >>>>>> Any hints about where the heck is the songs table would sure be >>>>>> helpful, and thanks a lot. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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