Ok, I've finally installed the upgrade, and have no idea what's going on in 
mail, but when I open a message to read it, if there are multiple messages in a 
thread, it won't read them properly, and starts out by reading who they're 
from, then reads the same message twice even after I've deleted it.  What can I 
do to fix this?
On Mar 7, 2014, at 3:30 PM, Jim Gatteys <[email protected]> wrote:

> oh yeah that's right.
> That's how I started moving my mail columns.
> JIm
> 
> On Mar 7, 2014, at 11:32 AM, Teresa Cochran <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> No, jim, VO-shift-backslash moves to column headers. VO-backslash opens the 
>> triangle.
>> 
>> Teresa
>> 
>> "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too 
>> dark to read."--Groucho Marx
>> 
>> On Mar 6, 2014, at 5:50 PM, Jim Gatteys <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>> isn't the correct keystroke vo-shift-backslash?
>>> 
>>> On Mar 6, 2014, at 5:01 PM, Brian Fischler <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hey Jon,
>>>> 
>>>> Has nothing to do with the large email file I am going through as that is 
>>>> just a file on this computer and I don't even have gmail on this computer 
>>>> anymore. It is definitely mac mail and a bug as for the last ten minutes I 
>>>> was trying to collapse a conversation with 4 messages in it, and kept 
>>>> dinging and dinging and wouldn't collapse so I toggled off vo and back on 
>>>> and then finally left arrow collapsed the conversation. I still have yet 
>>>> to get VO back slash to actually open or collapse a conversation so am 
>>>> pretty sure it is a bug that is not affecting everyone. Really frustrating.
>>>> On Mar 6, 2014, at 5:10 PM, John Panarese <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I wonder if it has to do with the size of the mail you are still going 
>>>>> through?  If you close down mail and use the Mac, does it still occur?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Take Care
>>>>> 
>>>>> John D. Panarese
>>>>> Director
>>>>> Mac for the Blind
>>>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>>>> Email, [email protected]
>>>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION
>>>>> 
>>>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>>>>> 
>>>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 6, 2014, at 5:06 PM, Brian Fischler <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> John it is a system wide thing just did another restart so hopefully it 
>>>>>> will stop happening quite frustrating as you can imagine.
>>>>>> On Mar 6, 2014, at 5:03 PM, John Panarese <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Where is this happening?  I have not had any problems with sounds on an 
>>>>>>> iMac 2012, Mac Mini 2011 or Mac Book Pro 2012 Retina.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Take Care
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> John D. Panarese
>>>>>>> Director
>>>>>>> Mac for the Blind
>>>>>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>>>>>> Email, [email protected]
>>>>>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Mar 6, 2014, at 4:51 PM, Brian Fischler <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Curious if anyone else is having this issue. All of the sudden you 
>>>>>>>> lose all sounds in Mavericks 10.9.2 meaning when you go to the end box 
>>>>>>>> and normally get your error sound like a bonk letting you know you are 
>>>>>>>> at the newest message instead of the bonk you get VO just repeating 
>>>>>>>> the name of the message instead of the sound. I know this is an error 
>>>>>>>> or bug as if I cycle VO off and back on I get the sounds back and it 
>>>>>>>> will work for awhile and then stop. Also as soon as I lose the sounds 
>>>>>>>> I have also noticed that keyboard commander stops working meaning if I 
>>>>>>>> hit command z the key I have set to bring up mail nothing happens, but 
>>>>>>>> if I cycle VO off and on keyboard commander again starts to work and 
>>>>>>>> command z will bring up my mail.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I am also having a severe lag in typing but only when in mail it is 
>>>>>>>> really behind what I am typing and very sluggish. Curious to know if 
>>>>>>>> anyone else is experiencing any of this.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> 
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