The text of the resolution is in the blog...which was shared before unless
this is different.
In fact I read this before writing my comment on the resolution myself.
Does not matter really, any comfort that might presently be enjoyed with
apple products individually is at
risk of going out of the window regardless.
The suggestion that this body speaks for "the blind" as a whole, and
needs to speak any more to apple than they already do, or at any greater
level
than the rest of its customer base is what serves that customer base
worst of all.
why is the nfb's opinion more valuable for apple than yours as a user?
Kare
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014, Cheree Heppe wrote:
Cheree Heppe here:
Is a blog article the same as a resolution?
Regards,
Cheree Heppe
Sent from my IPhone 4S
On 12 Jul 2014, at 18:57, Tristan <[email protected]> wrote:
I feel the need to point out this article:
https://nfb.org/blog/vonb-blog/comments-apple-and-nfb-resolution-2014-12
This gives me a largely new prospective on this; I was really inclined
to agree with everyone's opinions on this at first, but it honestly
looks like they're trying to work with, and not threaten Apple at the
core of the resolution.
If this link has been posted prior, I apologize, but thought I'd share.
While I do think it's an unnecessary step, it does not look like a
slap in the face to apple nor a step backwards. It's something that I
personally wouldn't care about and probably wouldn't pay attention to,
because I'm comfortable with the way apps are handled on both Mac and
iOS.
On 7/12/14, Karen Lewellen <[email protected]> wrote:
I cannot imagine it being about anything else but nfb getting money in
exchange for building in limitations.
Granted I make no secret of choosing my own dictionary.
But why on earth in the 21st century is anyone still worshiping at the nfb
altar anyway?
So they pass a resolution...and?
The only reason apple feels they must entertain them, is because other
customers do not indicate they have minds imaginations and interests of
their own.
a bunch of people gave this organization power, those same people, who BTW
have within themselves the ability to write their own dictionaries about
blindness and anything else, can tell the nfb they have out grown the
need for such a body anymore.
I simply do not understand why one conformity is exchanged for another, one
person's ideas of limitations exchanged for those the nfb create with
their mindset.
Kare
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
Karen:
I fully agree. It really does feel like we're slapping Apple in the face,
forcing them to conform. I really really hope this doesn't work, because
it's
going to create a huge mess and totally redefine apps. Not everything is
accessible but that really is fine with me; usually I can find an app that
is. It's what happens when you use anything, really. My thoughts are
mainly
money based: how much money will NFB get for consulting for something like
this, and secondly how is this trash going to redefine apps on the iPhone?
It's not going to be all that hard for NFB to use their power to force
things
into IOS/apps that don't need to be there, force things out, etc.
On 7/12/2014 9:25 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
Let me see if I understand this.
Apple who has built in innovation on its own must discuss with the nfb
how
to now limit that innovation to fit the nfb's one size fits all
definition
of blindness? as in all blind people are interchangeable, and the nfb
is
the only source to tell you how to find a plug and play blind person
by
which you measure what works for them...all 400 plus million of them?
I wonder how much money they plan on extorting for this dialog?
Not only should it be a blanket resolution, BTW android phones are the
most popular in use now according to annual surveys, but this dialog
should involve many organizations, and a group of apple customers who
are
not members of a consumer organization whatsoever.
The very suggestion that a single body is in a position to speak for
every
child born of women who happens to have the label blind attached to
them
is a stereotypes that really needs to end. otherwise the individuality
that is the rich experience of redefining blindness is not going to
exist
for the millions who need not buy the nfb line to live freely and
inclusively.
Why does the nfb not spend its energy training software developers who
fit
their one size fits all blindness box?
Many companies besides Apple would get the benefits that way.
just my take,
Karen
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014, Pamela Francis wrote:
Hello,
I personally am not in favor of this resolution; not because I don't
want accessibility. Apple took the lead in making its products
accessible without government or organizational intervention.
Microsoft,
on the other hand, allowed third-party vendors to do its work within
accessibility. Google, though it has come along way, still does not
want
to adhere to its own standards unless it is pressed.
If there was a resolution to be had, it should've been a blanket
resolution for all companies dealing with accessibility. Picking on
Apple, is as if we as a blind community are slapping it in the face
given that it has continued its efforts to remain accessible. I
understand the need for utilitarian apps such as maps, transit maps,
notes, lists, etc. to remain accessible as they are a necessary
function
in normal life. However, just to use as an example I don't necessarily
need Angry Birds to be accessible for my benefit nor do I need it to
be
threatened to be kicked from the app store due to inaccessibility for
the sake of millions of people who enjoy it.
As we continue to strive for accessibility in all areas, we need not
be
a bully to the company that went out of its way to make its products
accessible from the beginning.
We also do not need to be put into a societal box allowing electronics
manufacturers, appliance manufacturers, and the general public to
believe that all we are capable of is operating an iPhone. We are on
the
cusp of choice. We have fought for choice for a long time. This type
of
a resolution makes us look militant and ungrateful. What is fair for
one company is fair for all.
Pam Francis
On Jul 12, 2014, at 9:28 AM, Terje Strømberg <[email protected]>
wrote:
The NFB Resolution is very important for all blind and low vision all
over the world. We all want accessible digital future.
A link to a comment from the president in NFB:
https://nfb.org/blog/vonb-blog/comments-apple-and-nfb-resolution-2014-12
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