Hi, You are basing so much on just a couple of examples here. There are at least as many reverse examples where Mac does better. Also, if it's so easy to develop in Microsoft land, why are metro apps so utterly lacking for keyboard use, rather important on a computer, and rather widespread in Windows 8? Are you telling me that the latest incarnations of Office are as easy to use as older ones, that web apps are ever going to work as well for us as off line apps? I know this list isn't really the place for this, but where is, and I do want to keep it in terms of the fact that Apple has done far more than any other company in terms of accessibility, most especially in recent times.
Cheers Dave On 13 Jul 2014, at 14:08, Littlefield, Tyler <[email protected]> wrote: > I don't know about that. There's still a lot of stuff that I can't reliably > do with a decent speed on the Mac. I've had plenty of accessibility > consultants/trainers who use it to force them to use it tell me the same > thing. It's still not really a reliable ssh client, lots of times it just > skips over output etc for one example. I can fully develop windows apps with > pretty much minimal extra effort on the windows side... not so much on the > mac side. There are still websites that cause voiceover to die horribly. > Apple.com used to make it just endlessly loop throughy the top half and it > wouldn't get to any content, for example. I found another site that does that > more recently. > > I also don't think Microsoft is undoing anything they've done or that Jaws is > being made less better. It's not done as much as it could, but that's because > it's not really been required to so far. They put in minimal effort to make > sure that they're possibly a step ahead of NVDA, for example. > > On 7/13/2014 9:01 AM, David Taylor wrote: >> One wonders if this Jaws preoccupation is behind them putting so muc >> pressure on Apple now too. Whatever Microsoft did in the past, they are >> undoing most of it now, Apple really are miles ahead. >> >> Cheers >> Dave >> >> On 13 Jul 2014, at 13:26, Littlefield, Tyler <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hello: >>> I can't speak to Google. Microsoft has actually done a lot in terms of >>> accessibility, there was MSAA and now UIAA I think it is called, which Jaws >>> works with quite extensively. Microsoft's approach is slightly different in >>> that they provide the tools for a screen reader to bolt on to windows. I >>> think they actually wanted to build something in at one point and the NFB >>> had a hand in insuring that Jaws was the main reader for many many years. >>> On 7/13/2014 8:14 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: >>>> Hello. >>>> >>>> I have just been listening to a presentation on the WWC app (you know, the >>>> one that you can download from the App Store) where you can listen to >>>> apple's keynote etc. Well, on there, there is a presentation done by an >>>> apple representative and this person shows developers how to make apps >>>> accessible to Voice Over users and other users who have special needs. >>>> This presentation was very interesting as the person used the new apple's >>>> UI tool kit to make an app accessible for all special needs. So, there is >>>> no need for specialist organisations to worry about Apple's commitment to >>>> accessibility as Apple have given developers the tools to make apps >>>> accessible. Perhaps this should be pointed out to organisations who attack >>>> Apple as I can't see Google or Microsoft doing this. Or do they? >>>> >>>> Kawal. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Take care, >>> Ty >>> http://tds-solutions.net >>> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he >>> that dares not reason is a slave. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > Take care, > Ty > http://tds-solutions.net > He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that > dares not reason is a slave. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
