So Erik, what you are saying is that, when your kid performing very, very well at school, always gets 90 points in every exams, while the rest is hobbing around 30 points, rarely pass the test, is okay for the school principle to point your kid out in public, and punish your kid by asking him to perform 100% better, and is okay for the rest of the school kids staying behind on 30 points mark?
Or, we got double standard because its NFB, and because its Apple, so, hey, who cares about other company, other organization, or even other blind people that is not even in America, but could pretty well effect by what so call big brother NFB does or doesn't in their policy making process? Jees, if i'm one of the school kid, i'm very happy to stay on 30% points mark, and not performing well, because, look what happen when you are on 90%? you got name, you got shame, you got single it out. I wonder, is this the pressure and the fear from other company, say Freedom Scientific to NFB. When Apple products weren't accessible, people rely on conventional screen reader, conventional braille note taker to have a life. But now, because of Apple, thanks for Apple, blind people have this sudden choice, not rely on an external screen reader, and still able to have a life, a well inform life, a better life than ever before in the history. Which also means, blind people are more than likely to rely on their own, starting to do self advocacy more than ever before, and left those organizations like NFB behind in the future. On 14/07/2014, erik burggraaf <[email protected]> wrote: > Naming a company does not necessarily imply targeting them. There are sound > economic reasons for starting with apple. > 1, they are the lear in the field of mobile accessibility right now. Lots > of players, only one leader, ...apple, a p p l e. > 2, Apple products are used daily in classrooms from at least grade two right > through university. They are prominat in government. This isn't true of > any other company. Blackberry has a lot of government market share but > nothing in education, and almost nothing in employment. Android may be > bigger in employment over all than apple, but androide started much later > than apple and has only one truely comparable accessibility feature namely > talkback A lot of disabled people who would get an android for work as a > matter of course are getting apple because the accessibility suite is > frankly more robust than that on android. > > OK, I think the discussions should include android. I also think they > should include disability advocacy groups besides the blind. But I don't > see any one targeting anyone else here. Past experience not-with-standing, > this idea that the NFB will somehow bombard apple into enforcing > accessibility standards is ludacris. > > Best, > > Erik Burggraaf > The great amazon gift card giveaway begins friday june eleventh at 5 pm! > The more who donate, the more chances there will be to win! Click here for > detales. > http://www.fundme.com/en/projects/6287-Orientation-and-mobility-training-for-the-blind > > > > > > > On 2014-07-13, at 6:12 PM, David Chittenden <[email protected]> wrote: > >> When a resolution singles out one specific company by name, this means >> that one specific company is being targeted! If the resolution was about >> multiple companies being approached for increasing accessibility, it would >> have said so. >> >> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >> Email: [email protected] >> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 14 Jul 2014, at 10:03, Marianne Denning <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I also think it makes sense to push the one that is most accessible. >>> Some of the others make it very clear they just don't care. Apple >>> believes we are a market. Apple, like all other companies, is about >>> making a profit. >>> We give them our loyalty but ask them to do more. They have chosen to >>> tightly control all apps by requiring us to get them from the app >>> store so they need to work to be as accessible as possible. I believe >>> more pressure needs to be put on other companies too so come up with a >>> resolution to address that in whatever organization you are active >>> with. We, as individuals, benefit from working together as a group. >>> The viphone list is a great example of working together as a group and >>> this group has gotten out good information to developers who create >>> accessible apps. Many members of this group are members of a national >>> organization too so work through that organization to influence >>> companies. >>>> On 7/13/14, erik burggraaf <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> I didn't read anything about targetting in the resolution. Show me >>>> where >>>> that line is please? >>>> Apple has the broadest user base in the access technology market when >>>> it >>>> comes to mobile. Apple is also well recognized in education, >>>> government, >>>> and employment sectors. Samsung is a great accessibility company. I >>>> don't >>>> see why this resolution shouldn't apply to them except that they don't >>>> have >>>> their own app distrobution model. Android is on the rise and has a >>>> good >>>> following and I think this conversation should be taken to them. In >>>> fact, >>>> so it is. Ensuring that apps offer a minimum level of accessibility >>>> benefits all disability groups, not just ours. I think its a dialog >>>> that a >>>> lot of disability organizations should be having with apple and with >>>> eachother. >>>> >>>> I don't see apple being targetted here, and I don't see apple being >>>> intimidated even if they did feel targetted. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> Erik Burggraaf >>>> The great amazon gift card giveaway begins friday june eleventh at 5 >>>> pm! >>>> The more who donate, the more chances there will be to win! Click here >>>> for >>>> detales. >>>> http://www.fundme.com/en/projects/6287-Orientation-and-mobility-training-for-the-blind >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 2014-07-13, at 3:44 PM, David Chittenden <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Maybe it is because the NFB is specifically targeting only the company >>>>> that is doing the most for accessibility and ignoring the companies >>>>> they >>>>> should be targeting, such as Microsoft, Google, Sony, Panasonic, >>>>> Cisco, >>>>> Sharp, Samsung, and so forth. >>>>> >>>>> You do not encourage accessibility by targeting the most accessible >>>>> company. >>>>> >>>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >>>>> Email: [email protected] >>>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On 14 Jul 2014, at 4:13, erik burggraaf <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Isn't the very point of the NFB to advocate? IE, make change for the >>>>>> better? IE, make companies like apple do things they wouldn't >>>>>> normally >>>>>> do by the use of resolution, discussion, policy positions and >>>>>> demonstration of the user demand for such change? THe NFB seems to me >>>>>> to >>>>>> be doing what an advocacy organization does. I don't understand why >>>>>> any >>>>>> one has a problem with this. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> >>>>>> Erik Burggraaf >>>>>> The great amazon gift card giveaway begins friday june eleventh at 5 >>>>>> pm! >>>>>> The more who donate, the more chances there will be to win! Click >>>>>> here >>>>>> for detales. >>>>>> http://www.fundme.com/en/projects/6287-Orientation-and-mobility-training-for-the-blind >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2014-07-12, at 11:36 PM, "Littlefield, Tyler" >>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm writing this from a sock-footed perspective, so take that for >>>>>>> what >>>>>>> it's worth... >>>>>>> None of this is "hate" directed at NFB. I don't agree with their >>>>>>> philosophy. I don't believe that one organization should have the >>>>>>> power >>>>>>> to "resolve" to make a company like Apple do anything. This isn't a >>>>>>> matter of ACB vs NFB or AFB or anything, it's a matter of what I >>>>>>> believe >>>>>>> is right. I don't believe that an organization should speak for the >>>>>>> entire blind population. Further, I don't believe that any >>>>>>> organization >>>>>>> should be so arrogant as to award a company, then expect them to >>>>>>> show >>>>>>> up, as if it's an honor to receive that award. I don't understand >>>>>>> how >>>>>>> NFB thinks it has the right to force this on anyone, much less why >>>>>>> they're only targetting apple for this. I also don't understand what >>>>>>> they hope to accomplish. Sure there are unaccessible apps out there, >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> that number is dwindling. Advocacy and work with the developers of >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> apps is generally plenty to make people want to make their >>>>>>> applications >>>>>>> accessible. Not always, but enforcing accessibility guidelines and >>>>>>> forcing an entire OS to conform to those guidelines when it would >>>>>>> probably mean changing the user experience for everyone else is also >>>>>>> ludicrous. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You brought up the 2009 article: why should we thank NFB for >>>>>>> appologising for something they never should have published in the >>>>>>> first >>>>>>> place? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm not sure where this will lead. I think that work with apple >>>>>>> developers and perhaps work under the hood to the native controls >>>>>>> would >>>>>>> make more of a difference. Perhaps developers can choose to have >>>>>>> these >>>>>>> checks enabled, and these checks can insure that specific labels are >>>>>>> set, etc etc which would generally make the app more accessible. This >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> also up to the developer, but it would greatly help I think in >>>>>>> targetting exactly what needs to be done. >>>>>>>> On 7/12/2014 11:15 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: >>>>>>>> Okay. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am changing the subject because I think it's high time I said >>>>>>>> something. I well remember how many Mac users strongly criticized >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> NFB for their June 2009 Braille Monitor article on Voice Over. >>>>>>>> That >>>>>>>> criticism was fully justified: let there be no doubt about that. >>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>> the other hand, how many Mac users gave the NFB credit for the >>>>>>>> retraction printed in the December 2009 Monitor article? Not many >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> seem to recall. Look, it's your business whether or not you hate >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> NFB and I cannot change your minds about that. I'm not even going >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> try. But, frankly, I think it's very shallow minded to have this >>>>>>>> kind >>>>>>>> of hatred controlling the issue when what we need to do is have a >>>>>>>> balanced and mature conversation. Hate us all you want: but, >>>>>>>> remember, there are NFB members who use Macs and iPHones and other >>>>>>>> Apple products too. For what it may be worth, I do not hate anyone >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> the ACB. Why should I? They've never done anything to me to merit >>>>>>>> such hatred. I would add this. My own state, Louisiana, voted >>>>>>>> against >>>>>>>> the resolution at the convention this year. This somewhat took me >>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>> surprise. I did not expect that to happen, but it did. Look, we >>>>>>>> who >>>>>>>> are NFB members and who use our Apple products love them as much as >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> do. I know that, for myself, I will never touch windows again. >>>>>>>> I'd >>>>>>>> sooner be without a computer totally than to do that. I do not >>>>>>>> believe >>>>>>>> it is at all reasonable to ask the current generation to bear the >>>>>>>> hatreds of the past. 1961 is long gone: as the hatred of those >>>>>>>> days >>>>>>>> should also be. Condemn what I say if you wish: (That's your >>>>>>>> right.): >>>>>>>> but, just bear in mind that the only one being effected by your >>>>>>>> hatred >>>>>>>> of people like me is yourself. I don't hate you. You see, it's >>>>>>>> frightfully simple. Those who hate you don't win unless you hate >>>>>>>> them. >>>>>>>> Have what ever feelings you choose towards me and what I say: but, >>>>>>>> bear in mind that we really need to rise above such things and >>>>>>>> continue >>>>>>>> to help each other with Apple product issues. After all, is that >>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>> the principal purpose of this list? When I first joined, I >>>>>>>> received >>>>>>>> much good help from the members of this list. I would hate to >>>>>>>> depart >>>>>>>> from this list over feelings of bitterness and hatred with respect >>>>>>>> either to the ACB or NFB. No. I cannot change how you feel: but, >>>>>>>> frankly, I'd prefer a gentler tone. >>>>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>>>> the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone >>>>>>>> user! >>>>>>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the >>>>>>>> blind built-in! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jul 12, 2014, at 9:57 PM, David Chittenden >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It is probably more like, NFB attempted to dialogue with Apple. >>>>>>>>> Apple >>>>>>>>> rebuffed NFB, like Apple rebuffs any organization doing something >>>>>>>>> similar. NFB passes a resolution which they can then take back to >>>>>>>>> Apple and say, See, the blind are behind us because we are the >>>>>>>>> blind >>>>>>>>> and this resolution was passed at our convention, so you really >>>>>>>>> need >>>>>>>>> to dialogue with us. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What will be the result? Apple will again rebuff NFB, just like >>>>>>>>> Apple >>>>>>>>> rebuffs any organization attempting such an approach. NFB may well >>>>>>>>> become in-sensed again and we will see some form of tantrum from >>>>>>>>> NFB. >>>>>>>>> As I recall, when Apple did not send an official representative to >>>>>>>>> NFB >>>>>>>>> National Convention to receive the awards NFB gave Apple, a few >>>>>>>>> months >>>>>>>>> later articles appeared in the Braille Monitor proving how >>>>>>>>> horrible >>>>>>>>> VoiceOver was on the Mac. Yes, I suspect NFB will do something just >>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>> idiotic this time when their scheme does not work yet again. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >>>>>>>>> Email: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 13 Jul 2014, at 13:57, Tristan <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I feel the need to point out this article: >>>>>>>>>> https://nfb.org/blog/vonb-blog/comments-apple-and-nfb-resolution-2014-12 >>>>>>>>>> This gives me a largely new prospective on this; I was really >>>>>>>>>> inclined >>>>>>>>>> to agree with everyone's opinions on this at first, but it >>>>>>>>>> honestly >>>>>>>>>> looks like they're trying to work with, and not threaten Apple at >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> core of the resolution. >>>>>>>>>> If this link has been posted prior, I apologize, but thought I'd >>>>>>>>>> share. >>>>>>>>>> While I do think it's an unnecessary step, it does not look like >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> slap in the face to apple nor a step backwards. It's something >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>> personally wouldn't care about and probably wouldn't pay >>>>>>>>>> attention >>>>>>>>>> to, >>>>>>>>>> because I'm comfortable with the way apps are handled on both Mac >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> iOS. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 7/12/14, Karen Lewellen <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> I cannot imagine it being about anything else but nfb getting >>>>>>>>>>> money >>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> exchange for building in limitations. >>>>>>>>>>> Granted I make no secret of choosing my own dictionary. >>>>>>>>>>> But why on earth in the 21st century is anyone still worshiping >>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>> the nfb >>>>>>>>>>> altar anyway? >>>>>>>>>>> So they pass a resolution...and? >>>>>>>>>>> The only reason apple feels they must entertain them, is because >>>>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>>> customers do not indicate they have minds imaginations and >>>>>>>>>>> interests >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> their own. >>>>>>>>>>> a bunch of people gave this organization power, those same >>>>>>>>>>> people, >>>>>>>>>>> who BTW >>>>>>>>>>> have within themselves the ability to write their own >>>>>>>>>>> dictionaries >>>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>>> blindness and anything else, can tell the nfb they have out >>>>>>>>>>> grown >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> need for such a body anymore. >>>>>>>>>>> I simply do not understand why one conformity is exchanged for >>>>>>>>>>> another, one >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> person's ideas of limitations exchanged for those the nfb create >>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>> their mindset. >>>>>>>>>>> Kare >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 12 Jul 2014, Littlefield, Tyler wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Karen: >>>>>>>>>>>> I fully agree. It really does feel like we're slapping Apple in >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> face, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> forcing them to conform. I really really hope this doesn't >>>>>>>>>>>> work, >>>>>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>>>>> it's >>>>>>>>>>>> going to create a huge mess and totally redefine apps. Not >>>>>>>>>>>> everything is >>>>>>>>>>>> accessible but that really is fine with me; usually I can find >>>>>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>>>> app that >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> is. It's what happens when you use anything, really. My >>>>>>>>>>>> thoughts >>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>> mainly >>>>>>>>>>>> money based: how much money will NFB get for consulting for >>>>>>>>>>>> something like >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> this, and secondly how is this trash going to redefine apps on >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> iPhone? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It's not going to be all that hard for NFB to use their power >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> force >>>>>>>>>>>> things >>>>>>>>>>>> into IOS/apps that don't need to be there, force things out, >>>>>>>>>>>> etc. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/12/2014 9:25 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me see if I understand this. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple who has built in innovation on its own must discuss with >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> nfb >>>>>>>>>>>>> how >>>>>>>>>>>>> to now limit that innovation to fit the nfb's one size fits >>>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>>> definition >>>>>>>>>>>>> of blindness? as in all blind people are interchangeable, and >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> nfb >>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>> the only source to tell you how to find a plug and play blind >>>>>>>>>>>>> person >>>>>>>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>>>>>> which you measure what works for them...all 400 plus million >>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>> them? >>>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder how much money they plan on extorting for this >>>>>>>>>>>>> dialog? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Not only should it be a blanket resolution, BTW android phones >>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> most popular in use now according to annual surveys, but >>>>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>>> dialog >>>>>>>>>>>>> should involve many organizations, and a group of apple >>>>>>>>>>>>> customers >>>>>>>>>>>>> who >>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>> not members of a consumer organization whatsoever. >>>>>>>>>>>>> The very suggestion that a single body is in a position to >>>>>>>>>>>>> speak >>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>> every >>>>>>>>>>>>> child born of women who happens to have the label blind >>>>>>>>>>>>> attached >>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>>>>> is a stereotypes that really needs to end. otherwise the >>>>>>>>>>>>> individuality >>>>>>>>>>>>> that is the rich experience of redefining blindness is not >>>>>>>>>>>>> going >>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> exist >>>>>>>>>>>>> for the millions who need not buy the nfb line to live freely >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> inclusively. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Why does the nfb not spend its energy training software >>>>>>>>>>>>> developers >>>>>>>>>>>>> who >>>>>>>>>>>>> fit >>>>>>>>>>>>> their one size fits all blindness box? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Many companies besides Apple would get the benefits that way. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> just my take, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Karen >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 12 Jul 2014, Pamela Francis wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I personally am not in favor of this resolution; not because >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>>>>>> want accessibility. Apple took the lead in making its >>>>>>>>>>>>>> products >>>>>>>>>>>>>> accessible without government or organizational intervention. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the other hand, allowed third-party vendors to do its work >>>>>>>>>>>>>> within >>>>>>>>>>>>>> accessibility. Google, though it has come along way, still >>>>>>>>>>>>>> does >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to adhere to its own standards unless it is pressed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there was a resolution to be had, it should've been a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> blanket >>>>>>>>>>>>>> resolution for all companies dealing with accessibility. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Picking >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple, is as if we as a blind community are slapping it in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> face >>>>>>>>>>>>>> given that it has continued its efforts to remain accessible. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand the need for utilitarian apps such as maps, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> transit >>>>>>>>>>>>>> maps, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> notes, lists, etc. to remain accessible as they are a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> necessary >>>>>>>>>>>>>> function >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in normal life. However, just to use as an example I don't >>>>>>>>>>>>>> necessarily >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> need Angry Birds to be accessible for my benefit nor do I need >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> threatened to be kicked from the app store due to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> inaccessibility >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the sake of millions of people who enjoy it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> As we continue to strive for accessibility in all areas, we >>>>>>>>>>>>>> need >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a bully to the company that went out of its way to make its >>>>>>>>>>>>>> products >>>>>>>>>>>>>> accessible from the beginning. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> We also do not need to be put into a societal box allowing >>>>>>>>>>>>>> electronics >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> manufacturers, appliance manufacturers, and the general >>>>>>>>>>>>>> public >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe that all we are capable of is operating an iPhone. We >>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> cusp of choice. We have fought for choice for a long time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> This >>>>>>>>>>>>>> type >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a resolution makes us look militant and ungrateful. What is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> fair for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> one company is fair for all. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pam Francis >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 12, 2014, at 9:28 AM, Terje Strømberg >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The NFB Resolution is very important for all blind and low >>>>>>>>>>>>>> vision >>>>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> over the world. 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