Interesting, it's never worked for me in Preview to use just shift and arrow 
keys to select text.  I am really curious how it can be that you can do so.  
It's never been the case for all the 7 years I've been using a Mac computer.  I 
will try again,.

Andrew
On 7 Sep 2014, at 19:23, BobH. <[email protected]> wrote:

> In text-Edit,  just hold shift while navigating around to select all you 
> pass;  and VO does say so. I did that yesterday, in fact, Shift is one thing 
> Windows and even DOS borrowed off Mac for selection.
> So for once, it came naturally.
> 
> Rh.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "The Believer" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 6:02 PM
> Subject: Re: Copying text to clipboard in Preview
> 
> 
>    I had to learn to do a copy this weekend. I was in TextEdit. Once I
> had the cursor in the right location, I did VO return then used the
> arrow keys to select the desired text. Not VO arrow keys, just the arrow
> keys alone. When I selected all the text I did VO return again and then
> command c then command v where I wanted to paste the text.
> 
> From The Believer. . .
>  . . . what if it were true?
> [email protected]
> 
> On 9/7/2014 8:30 AM, Andrew Lamanche wrote:
>> Dear Gigi,
>> 
>> Thank you so much for trying.  Like you, I've discovered the copying of 
>> the entire document from Preview into a TextEdit document.  The formatting 
>> is preserved although I can't say to what extent.
>> 
>> Anne's method will help me copy just a couple of words which is the case 
>> from time to time, like for instance a license number or a telephone 
>> number.  But your method is a clever one.
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> 
>> Andrew
>> On 7 Sep 2014, at 13:56, Eugenia Firth <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi there
>>> It may not work in Preview, but I just tested the ability to copy text 
>>> using PDf Pen Pro. I couldn't figure out how to select using shift down 
>>> arrow, but I did command A and copied to the clipboard. Then I went to 
>>> TextEdit, and pasted it into a file. It worked, although I have no idea 
>>> if it kept the formatting. It talked fine, though.
>>> 
>>> I used a short form to test this. If you want, I can use a longer form to 
>>> test it and see what happens.
>>> 
>>> Gigi
>>> 
>>> On Sep 7, 2014, at 6:48 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> You can't copy text from the Preview Payne as I've tried it in the past 
>>>> as it's not accessible I don't think.
>>>> 
>>>> Kawal.
>>>> On 7 Sep 2014, at 10:46, Anne Robertson <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hello Andrew,
>>>>> 
>>>>> The command you are using to try to select text is the command for 
>>>>> selecting non-contiguous items. The command you want is VO-Return at 
>>>>> the beginning and end of the text you wish to select. You should hear a 
>>>>> whooshing sound as you select the text.
>>>>> 
>>>>> You could also try the usual way of selecting text, Shift plus arrow 
>>>>> keys.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Anne
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 7 Sep 2014, at 10:45, Andrew Lamanche <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Listers,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am trying to copy some text to clipboard in Preview.  I activate the 
>>>>>> select command with vo+command+return, i hear the familiar sound, and 
>>>>>> then I use vo+arrow keys to select the text I want.  I then press 
>>>>>> vo+command+return to finish selecting and press the usual command+c 
>>>>>> command to copy to clipboard.  But when I go to paste it to another 
>>>>>> application, like textEdit, nothing gets copied. I hear a bong that 
>>>>>> tells me there's nothing on the clipboard.  I tried copying the 
>>>>>> selected text without the final vo+command+return but got the same nul 
>>>>>> result.  Has anyone been able to copy text successfully in Preview 
>>>>>> with Voiceover?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Andrew
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