My local Apple store doesn't even know that Voiceover exists, well now they do,
because I explained it to them.
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Hofstader
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 6:46 AM
Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB
My thoughts exactly. I think the people who read AT reviews fall into two
categories: people who work for AT companies/departments and people already
using AT who are not likely to switch but enjoy keeping up with the technology
conversations.
Most purchasing decisions happen almost entirely apart from the users of AT
who rarely are even asked for input.
An odd phenomena though, is the growth of VO and people who seem new to
computing or new to participating in discussions about such. Whenever a new
person joins any of the three Apple related lists to which I subscribe, I make
certain of taking notice of their name. Some are people I've known for years
from lots of different lists. A whole lot, maybe even most, seem new to
technology lists (I doubt too many are entirely new to computing as finding a
list, getting signed up, etc. isn't obvious to the novice).
I know that Apple stores are offering VO training because (I'm guessing) the
local Lighthouse or other agencies aren't serving the Mac market.
I'm working on a very large proposal for a really huge project that includes
a lot of questions about populations and numbers of users on different AT with
a variety of different disabilities. The only information I can get about Mac
users with vision impairment comes from surveys which have the self selection
problem (a lot of people do not fill out surveys) which may over or
under-estimate MacinBlinks as we've no scientificly gathered data. Lighthouse
and other training centers don't count Macintosh users as they do not train
them so, as far as that class of NGO goes, we do not really exist.
As millions of Macs have shipped since the first VO, we've no clue how many
blinks are using them, how they are being used, etc.
I would estimate, though, from my entirely unscientific survey of names on
mailing lists that Mac is hitting a previously unserved population and doing so
well enough for the users to spend time on lists helping each other out.
I do not, however, know how many people are on these lists - the JAWS list
has over 900 users last I looked and the Apple oriented seem to have a lot
fewer. Of course, pointing back to the top of the message, if Mac is being
used by tons of real novices, then we have no way to get a census of VO use.
Ah... tangled webs and the like...
cdh
To wit:
cdh
On Oct 2, 2009, at 5:56 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:
Apple has played the 'let the best technology win in the long run' game for
a while. Maybe that's why they have about 5% market share. Most people don't
care and just get what their network recommend. So those already leaning
towards Apple will cite antagonism and those leaning away will consider it
affirmation. Neither will move much based on one review.
CB
Cameron wrote:
Hi. It's depressing to think about the potential number of people who after
reading that awful so called review, will not end up giving the mac platform
a shot. With all the work apple has done, and continues to do in terms of
out of the box accessibility, this is quite unfair.
Cameron.
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rich Ring
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 7:06 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB
I agree, but political entities, whether they are governments, political
parties, or the NFB don't tend to admit to their mistakes. Unfortunate, but
true.
----- Original Message -----
From: "kaare dehard" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB
I think your right rich, however, their attempt to do this is rather
sad since it would be easier to just admit that they are human like
the rest of us, that an error was made, and then not repeat this. That
certainly would have gone some ways to repairing damaged credibility.
On 2009-09-30, at 7:14 PM, Rich Ring wrote:
I believe that what you're seeing here is that they're trying to
make up for
the grave error they made with the Mac without in fact quite
admitting they
were wrong. You have to read between the lines a bit, but this is
what I
firmly believe.
----- Original Message -----
From: "ben mustill-rose" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB
I do find it rather funny that they slammed a program that ran on a
device with a full sized qwerty keyboard yet there all over the iphone
with its touch screen.
O well - step in the right direction anyway.
On 26/09/2009, Kevin Gibbs <[email protected]> wrote:
You have to ask the sighted friend to turn it on in preferences, I
think.
K.
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jean-Philippe
Rykiel
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:30 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB
Dear Chris,
a friend of mine has one of these. Can you simply tell me how to
turn v o
on
and off on his device so I can give it a try.
Cheers,
JPR
http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Blouch <mailto:[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 12:05 AM
Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB
It's called voiceover and as something that makes a device
accessible via
speech and controls, it is voiceover, but with a different voice (not
Alex)
and a phone-specific set of gestures instead of keyboard controls.
That
said, it's included on every iPhone 3GS and the newer iPod Touch.
Previous
models didn't have the hardware performance to run this so there is
no
upgrade to get VO on the older devices.
CB
Jean-Philippe Rykiel wrote:
Sorry for a very down-to-earth question, but does the IPhone come
with V O
as well?
JPR
http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Blouch <mailto:[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB
Some have difficulty comprehending what is new and, by definition,
not
well understood. So they define the new in terms of what's known from
the past, but when something is a revolution rather than an evolution
the comparisons fail. Some will lodge those failures as the fault of
what was being measured and dismiss it as being flawed. Others, more
rarely, will correctly realize that the measurement framework has
failed
and reevaluate their worldview. The NFB has been measuring sharks
for a
long while and Apple brought in an leopard. It will take time for the
definition of 'good' to be redefined.
CB
william lomas wrote:
they can soon praise the iPhone yet slam the mac?
hyppocrits
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