Hi, Yes, same here. He knew a little about VoiceOver, but they didn't provide training if you required it. In fact, he didn't know how to turn it on, so I was glad I read through the entire VoiceOver manual before making the trip.
Regards, Nic On Oct 3, 2009, at 4:16 PM, Rich Ring wrote: > My local Apple store doesn't even know that Voiceover exists, well > now they do, because I explained it to them. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Hofstader > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 6:46 AM > Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB > > My thoughts exactly. I think the people who read AT reviews fall > into two categories: people who work for AT companies/departments > and people already using AT who are not likely to switch but enjoy > keeping up with the technology conversations. > > Most purchasing decisions happen almost entirely apart from the > users of AT who rarely are even asked for input. > > An odd phenomena though, is the growth of VO and people who seem new > to computing or new to participating in discussions about such. > Whenever a new person joins any of the three Apple related lists to > which I subscribe, I make certain of taking notice of their name. > Some are people I've known for years from lots of different lists. > A whole lot, maybe even most, seem new to technology lists (I doubt > too many are entirely new to computing as finding a list, getting > signed up, etc. isn't obvious to the novice). > > I know that Apple stores are offering VO training because (I'm > guessing) the local Lighthouse or other agencies aren't serving the > Mac market. > > I'm working on a very large proposal for a really huge project that > includes a lot of questions about populations and numbers of users > on different AT with a variety of different disabilities. The only > information I can get about Mac users with vision impairment comes > from surveys which have the self selection problem (a lot of people > do not fill out surveys) which may over or under-estimate > MacinBlinks as we've no scientificly gathered data. Lighthouse and > other training centers don't count Macintosh users as they do not > train them so, as far as that class of NGO goes, we do not really > exist. > > As millions of Macs have shipped since the first VO, we've no clue > how many blinks are using them, how they are being used, etc. > > I would estimate, though, from my entirely unscientific survey of > names on mailing lists that Mac is hitting a previously unserved > population and doing so well enough for the users to spend time on > lists helping each other out. > > I do not, however, know how many people are on these lists - the > JAWS list has over 900 users last I looked and the Apple oriented > seem to have a lot fewer. Of course, pointing back to the top of > the message, if Mac is being used by tons of real novices, then we > have no way to get a census of VO use. > > Ah... tangled webs and the like... > > cdh > > To wit: > > cdh > On Oct 2, 2009, at 5:56 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: > >> Apple has played the 'let the best technology win in the long run' >> game for a while. Maybe that's why they have about 5% market share. >> Most people don't care and just get what their network recommend. >> So those already leaning towards Apple will cite antagonism and >> those leaning away will consider it affirmation. Neither will move >> much based on one review. >> >> CB >> >> Cameron wrote: >>> >>> Hi. It's depressing to think about the potential number of people >>> who after >>> reading that awful so called review, will not end up giving the >>> mac platform >>> a shot. With all the work apple has done, and continues to do in >>> terms of >>> out of the box accessibility, this is quite unfair. >>> >>> Cameron. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rich Ring >>> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 7:06 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB >>> >>> >>> I agree, but political entities, whether they are governments, >>> political >>> parties, or the NFB don't tend to admit to their mistakes. >>> Unfortunate, but >>> true. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "kaare dehard" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:54 PM >>> Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB >>> >>> >>> >>> I think your right rich, however, their attempt to do this is rather >>> sad since it would be easier to just admit that they are human like >>> the rest of us, that an error was made, and then not repeat this. >>> That >>> certainly would have gone some ways to repairing damaged >>> credibility. >>> On 2009-09-30, at 7:14 PM, Rich Ring wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I believe that what you're seeing here is that they're trying to >>>> make up for >>>> the grave error they made with the Mac without in fact quite >>>> admitting they >>>> were wrong. You have to read between the lines a bit, but this is >>>> what I >>>> firmly believe. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "ben mustill-rose" <[email protected]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 6:34 PM >>>> Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I do find it rather funny that they slammed a program that ran on a >>>> device with a full sized qwerty keyboard yet there all over the >>>> iphone >>>> with its touch screen. >>>> >>>> O well - step in the right direction anyway. >>>> >>>> On 26/09/2009, Kevin Gibbs <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> You have to ask the sighted friend to turn it on in preferences, I >>>>> think. >>>>> K. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jean- >>>>> Philippe >>>>> Rykiel >>>>> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:30 PM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dear Chris, >>>>> a friend of mine has one of these. Can you simply tell me how to >>>>> turn v o >>>>> on >>>>> and off on his device so I can give it a try. >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> JPR >>>>> http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Chris Blouch <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 12:05 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB >>>>> >>>>> It's called voiceover and as something that makes a device >>>>> accessible via >>>>> speech and controls, it is voiceover, but with a different voice >>>>> (not >>>>> Alex) >>>>> and a phone-specific set of gestures instead of keyboard controls. >>>>> That >>>>> said, it's included on every iPhone 3GS and the newer iPod Touch. >>>>> Previous >>>>> models didn't have the hardware performance to run this so there >>>>> is >>>>> no >>>>> upgrade to get VO on the older devices. >>>>> >>>>> CB >>>>> >>>>> Jean-Philippe Rykiel wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Sorry for a very down-to-earth question, but does the IPhone come >>>>> with V O >>>>> as well? >>>>> JPR >>>>> http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Chris Blouch <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 10:48 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Some have difficulty comprehending what is new and, by definition, >>>>> not >>>>> well understood. So they define the new in terms of what's known >>>>> from >>>>> the past, but when something is a revolution rather than an >>>>> evolution >>>>> the comparisons fail. Some will lodge those failures as the >>>>> fault of >>>>> what was being measured and dismiss it as being flawed. Others, >>>>> more >>>>> rarely, will correctly realize that the measurement framework has >>>>> failed >>>>> and reevaluate their worldview. The NFB has been measuring sharks >>>>> for a >>>>> long while and Apple brought in an leopard. It will take time >>>>> for the >>>>> definition of 'good' to be redefined. >>>>> >>>>> CB >>>>> >>>>> william lomas wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> they can soon praise the iPhone yet slam the mac? >>>>>> hyppocrits >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Kind regards, BEN. >>>> >>>> email: [email protected] >>>> msn: [email protected] >>>> web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
