So, how did you turn off the preview pane? Sent from my iPad
> On Oct 20, 2014, at 8:32 AM, Alex Hall <[email protected]> wrote: > > I don't use the preview pane, which is how vo-j lets you read a message, > because doing so will mark a message ad "read" once I arrow past it, even if > I don't read it. What I can say is that I'm back in standard view for now, > because there's a bug in classic view where VoiceOver says that every message > is a conversation. This gets very verbose, and it wasn't worth dealing with. > Standard view works just fine, though. >> On Oct 20, 2014, at 9:02 AM, Les Kriegler <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi Alex, >> >> First of all, thanks for the excellent podcast you did on Apple this. I had >> a question about mail. I have not upgraded yet. I suspect they will do so >> soon. I am wondering since I use classic view to read mail in conversation >> threads, I use VO – J all the time. Will I be able to do that as I have been >> doing well I need to modify how I do this? Thanks. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Oct 20, 2014, at 8:57 AM, Alex Hall <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I've heard one report of the unread status being unreliable, but that's it. >>> I don't have that problem, and I've not heard anyone else talk about it >>> aside from that single report. Maybe you'll run into it, but for what it's >>> worth, I haven't. >>>> On Oct 20, 2014, at 5:11 AM, Ray Foret Jr <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> I for one, applaud what you and the others are doing with respect to your >>>> work on Mail and the other parts of Yosemite. Just one thing bothers me. >>>> I am informed that with this version of Mail, messages are indicated to be >>>> unread even if they have in fact been read. Is this so? In fact, it's >>>> the one small factor holding me back from doing the update. I trust the >>>> signatures part crashing has also been fixed? >>>> >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user! >>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind >>>> built-in and fully protected by ClamXav Antivirus! >>>> >>>>> On Oct 20, 2014, at 2:21 AM, M. Taylor <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello Pamela, >>>>> >>>>> You wrote: >>>>> "Is it different than the junk they released with this most recent OS?" >>>>> >>>>> It truly saddens me that you feel that the current build of Mail is >>>>> junky. >>>>> >>>>> While I think I can understand your frustration, I want you to know that I >>>>> and others worked very hard to make sure that the core functionality of >>>>> the >>>>> application was not lost in this, the first commercial release of the >>>>> application. >>>>> >>>>> In the previous version of Mail, using the VoiceOver + arrow key combos >>>>> made >>>>> sense in terms of the order in which items were placed into focus. Now, >>>>> as >>>>> you have no doubt discovered, navigating from the Mailboxes Table to the >>>>> Messages table, for example, is no longer linear. In fact, the order in >>>>> which they appear makes no sense, at all, from a VoiceOver user's >>>>> perspective, in my opinion of course. >>>>> >>>>> Please know that these kinds of things have been bugged and Apple is quite >>>>> aware of them. I do not know why they were not addressed in this release >>>>> but rest assured that I and others will continue to press for >>>>> improvements. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I, personally, don't use the Classic view but, with just one or two little >>>>> changes in keystroke combos, the Standard view works just as well as it >>>>> did >>>>> in Maverick. >>>>> >>>>> I do not write this because I am trying to save face for Apple, I am >>>>> writing >>>>> this because I believe in the power of this application. >>>>> >>>>> I will be happy to help you get your Mail groove back, using Yosemite Mail >>>>> by discussing the application in more detail, off-list, should you wish. >>>>> >>>>> Mark >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pamela Francis >>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 12:11 AM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: mail in 10.10 >>>>> >>>>> Hi guys, >>>>> Through my involvement with this list, I have constantly heard people >>>>> referred to classic view in mail. What is it, how do you get there? Is it >>>>> different than the junk they released with this most recent OS? >>>>> >>>>> Pam Francis >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 19, 2014, at 1:27 AM, Nicholas Parsons >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Mail 8.0 is working well for me, though in Classic view all messages seem >>>>> to >>>>> be marked as conversations whether they are or not, and in standard view >>>>> they are all marked as unread whether they are or not. However, I like the >>>>> fact that the unread status is back to the beginning of the info announced >>>>> in standard view. Apart from this, it seems snappier than ever, but >>>>> responsiveness depends on many factors and your milage may vary. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to [email protected]. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to [email protected]. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to [email protected]. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Have a great day, >>> Alex Hall >>> [email protected] >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > Have a great day, > Alex Hall > [email protected] > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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