I can't confirm either of these things. For the reasons Tim so eloquently stated, while I have my iDevices backing up to iCloud by default, I also make regular encrypted iTunes backups. I've not had any issue with my folder structure after the restore, nor have I got apps that I deleted. If you don't perform a sync/transfer purchases before the backup, then you may be backing up your phone in an old state. An encrypted backup from iTunes is the best way of truly restoring your device to its former state, or for doing a complete transfer from one device to another, such as when you upgrade your device. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org
> On 16/12/2014, at 7:49 am, Faisal ali <[email protected]> wrote: > > the only problem with backing up your apps to your mac is that you lose all > your folders that you so painstakingly created on your iDevice. This is why I > prefer using iCloud as it preserves all your folders. > Another issue I noticed when using your mac is apps that get restored onto > your phone which you deleted. I once did a restore from my mac and I had over > 6 pages of apps when I should only have two. I also found that I had pages > and pages of apps that I deleted a long time ago. The interesting thing is, I > actually backed up my phone after I deleted those apps so they should’ve have > gotten backed up to begin with. >> On Dec 15, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Tim Kilburn <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> This is what I understand. If you primarily use iCloud as your backup >> solution for your iDevice, then your Mac really isn’t in the picture, at >> least according to Apples’ expectations. All apps are purchased through the >> iTunes Store, all music is either streamed or downloaded from the iTunes >> Store and all settings and app data are stored within the iCloud backup. >> Therefore, everything you need is available over the air through this iCloud >> backup solution. Now, we know better than that though, music ripped from >> CDs etc, and apps that are no longer available in the iTunes Store also >> often reside on your iDevice. Using the iCloud backup solution only, would >> be a problem if your iDevice crashed and those items weren’t backed up >> elsewhere, or at least available from elsewhere. Those, still useful apps >> and other non-purchased media would be lost. Therefore, setting iTunes to >> download all your app purchases, and maintaining copies of your media on >> your Mac is also a very good idea. Extend that further to have a good >> backup routine for your Mac and you should never lose anything. >> >> Two more things that I do to ensure I don’t lose anything, is to >> occasionally do an iDevice backup through iTunes on my Mac, and make sure >> that my iDevice and Mac are synced often. The latter just ensures that those >> apps that may no longer be available through the iTunes Store, can still be >> brought back to my iDevice through iTunes. . When you do a restore through >> iCloud, this dialog often appears telling you exactly that. Some apps >> weren’t able to be downloaded from the iTunes Store, connect your iDevice to >> your Mac and retrieve those apps from iTunes. Add iTunes Match to the mix, >> and you can actually get all of the music downloaded over the air as well. >> >> Hope this makes sense. >> >> Later... >> >> Tim Kilburn >> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >> >>> On Dec 15, 2014, at 10:50, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries >>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Interesting. While I do have a good number of apps I think the bulk of my >>> iPhone content is media. While it's great that iCloud backs up pointers to >>> media stored on my computer, that means the iCloud backup isn't really a >>> full backup. If something goes kerfluey on my laptop the copies on my phone >>> are the only ones. Or is the assumption that my generated content from the >>> phone is being synced to icloud and then that is synced to my laptop? >>> >>> CB >>> >>> On 12/14/14, 10:33 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Actually Chris, this is a common misconception. When your iDevice is >>>> backed up to iCloud, the entire device is not necessarily backed up. That >>>> is, the OS and pre-installed apps are grabbed from Apple, only markers and >>>> setup info is stored for your apps as they are downloaded after the fact, >>>> and the same is so for your music. The actual music is not stored in the >>>> iCloud backup, just a database of the songs, playlists and such that you >>>> can restore either from iTunes Match or your computer. Thus, it is >>>> feasible to keep multiple backups of multiple iDevices in iCloud >>>> simultaneously. >>>> >>>> Later... >>>> >>>> Tim Kilburn >>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>> >>>>> On Dec 13, 2014, at 20:25, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries >>>>> <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The downside of iCloud backups is (I suspect) most folks have the free >>>>> 5GB of storage while most phones have a lot more than this to backup. I >>>>> imagine very few people can use iCloud backup without either paying for >>>>> more storage or stripping down what gets backed up to a bare minimum. >>>>> >>>>> CB >>>>> >>>>> On 12/13/14, 12:19 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> Regarding iPhone backups. The process is as follows. If you have your >>>>>> iDevice set to use iCloud Backups, then it will automatically backup to >>>>>> iCloud when your iDevice is plugged in to power and connected to WiFi. >>>>>> this is regardless of whether you have Mavericks, Yosemite, Windows or >>>>>> even a computer for that matter. You can manually tell it to backup to >>>>>> iCloud from within the iCloud area of Settings on your iDevice. If you >>>>>> have enabled iTunes WiFi Sync, then your iDevices will sync with your >>>>>> Mac when they are both connected to the same WiFi network and iTunes is >>>>>> open on the Mac. This is done over the air so you don’t need to tether >>>>>> it with your USB cable in order for this to occur. Realize though, that >>>>>> this is just syncing, it’s not backing up to iCloud. If you have set >>>>>> your iDevice to backup to that same Mac instead of to iCloud, then >>>>>> backups should occur using WiFi Syncing to that Mac. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hope this makes sense. >>>>>> >>>>>> Later... >>>>>> >>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 8, 2014, at 16:49, Kawal Gucukoglu <[email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am having problems with understanding Yosemite after coming from >>>>>>> Mavericks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For instance, my understanding was if you locked your I phone, you >>>>>>> could back it up to iCloud. However, this is not for me, as when I do >>>>>>> it, I always get the message that the process failed. However, if I >>>>>>> use my Mac mini or I Mac to do this, my I phone gets backed up. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Another thing I just discovered today was, that I don’t have to have my >>>>>>> I phone connected to any devices and I can back it up to my I Mac or my >>>>>>> Mac mini without having to connect it although initially I did connect >>>>>>> it to a cable in the first instance when I was instructed to do so. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A very nice thing I discovered was that the iCloud website was better >>>>>>> when sorting out my rules as before on Mavericks the process was rather >>>>>>> complicated. It’s so nice that Apple have worked to tidy things up >>>>>>> now. I’m so glad that braille is working at last on Yosemite as my >>>>>>> Focus 40 would not connect via bluetooth. Such a positive note for a >>>>>>> good operating system. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kawal. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>> an email to [email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >>>>>>> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. >>>>> -- >>>>> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to [email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >>>>> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. >>> >>> -- >>> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >>> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries >> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries > <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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