Hi Eric,

As tim rightly said: it's the forms that are at fault.  So I can just whistle 
in the wind for now. <smile>  I have to begin to control the urge I have to try 
things. <smile again>

All the best

Andrew
> On 24 Dec 2014, at 01:59, Eric Oyen <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> well,
> how long ago did you pay for that software? if you can't use it because of 
> accessibility issues, you might be able to get your money back (although, if 
> you got it through the app store, it might take some effort). Otherwise, try 
> contacting the software vendor. they might be able to help.
> 
> -eric
> 
> On Dec 23, 2014, at 12:48 AM, Andrew Lamanche wrote:
> 
>> Hi Tim,
>> 
>> Having fixed your form with somebody else's help, could you now do it 
>> yourself?  Or does it always require sighted help?  I'm afraid I've bought 
>> pdf pro but have not been able to use it.  So as you said, it's just sitting 
>> there, an expensive thing.  
>> 
>> Best wishes for Christmas
>> 
>> Simon
>>> On 23 Dec 2014, at 01:52, Tim Kilburn <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Andrew,
>>> 
>>> Yes, I know exactly what you mean.  I sat with one of our Adobe Master 
>>> teachers fixing up a form and it took a bit of work to actually make it 
>>> properly readable for me.  It took about 15 minutes to get all the fields 
>>> fixed up, but, it sure was worth it to me.  I did have the advantage of 
>>> having someone close by to fix things up where you probably did not.  PDF 
>>> Pen Pro is rather expensive to just have it sit there in your apps folder.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 21, 2014, at 14:35, Andrew Lamanche <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Dear Tim,
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks again for your valuable input.  I rather feared it was the case.  
>>>> I'm not sure I was wise to have spent the money on pdf pro as very few 
>>>> people will have made sure they had constructed a proper pdf form.
>>>> 
>>>> Andrew
>>>>> On 21 Dec 2014, at 16:38, Tim Kilburn <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> If a pdf is formatted properly, then you interact with the pdf content 
>>>>> area once and you’ll be set in the level where you can quickly navigate 
>>>>> the various pages if it is a multi-page document.  Interact one more time 
>>>>> on the specific page and, if a field is an Edit field, VO will announce 
>>>>> it as such and you’ll be able to the data.  The difficulty arises with 
>>>>> improperly created editable forms.  The Edit fields need to be properly 
>>>>> tagged and inserted as an Edit Field.  If the creator of the form just 
>>>>> left blank space and expected the user to enter info there, then it will 
>>>>> not be usable from within VO.  So, if no Edit filed is announced, you’re 
>>>>> kind of out of luck.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Later...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2014, at 12:31, Andrew Lamanche <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I've purchased pdf pro but i have no idea how to use it with Voiceover.  
>>>>>> If anyone could give me some clues, I'd be grateful.  I had to fill in a 
>>>>>> pdf form a few weeks ago but all I could find on the page was groups and 
>>>>>> in each a page but was not able to navigate any boxes in which to input 
>>>>>> data.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Andrew
>>>>>>> On 19 Dec 2014, at 22:05, christopher hallsworth 
>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> PDF Pen Pro
>>>>>>>> On 19 Dec 2014, at 21:58, Chris G <[email protected]> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>> What pdf form filler is accessible with VoiceOver on the mac.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I have some pdf forms I need to fill out.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>> Chris
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