I guess we'll just have to see what happens. I personally think it is counter productive to let one person make the entire list not a good place for its members. But with all this discussion we are giving him more attention which is probably what he wants in the first place. Jim
> On Aug 26, 2015, at 11:27 AM, Scott Granados <[email protected]> wrote: > > That’s an easy one, because no one person can and should speak for anyone > else. > > We’ve already discussed on this thread what happens when a moderator goes all > power hungry. I remember when it happened on an iteration of this list > probably 4 years back now and most people left the group because the > moderator in this case was on crack. > > On Aug 26, 2015, at 11:57 AM, Jim Gatteys <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Why should everybody have to create a rule to filter out one objectionable >> person when a moderator could handle that quickly and efficiently. >> >>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 10:04 AM, Scott Granados <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Just add the objectionable person to a rule and move it automatically to >>> the trash. >>> >>> Simple, problem solved and no moderation. >>> >>>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Yuma Decaux <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> ET is right, I am afraid to say this. >>>> >>>> I cannot count the number of times this person has fired out, insulted, >>>> then asked pardon, justifying some personal issues which do not belong to >>>> any mailing list, then repeat the process almost within the hour. If he is >>>> so defensive and threatening towards so many people, this is because these >>>> responders also feel offended by his words. There is a democratic process >>>> going on, a natural finger pointing of someone who just abuses the fact >>>> that there are no moderators in this list. Some of us try to resolve this >>>> one way or the other but nothing will be done if no one takes action, gas >>>> bagging and cackering instead in the drainpipe of opinionated expression. >>>> The latter is useless. Action can solve everything. >>>> >>>> Take care >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 27/08/2015, at 12:43 AM, E.T. <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> There are as many opinions here as there are members of this group. This >>>>> issue is generating a lot of traffic that is not helpful to the grpup. We >>>>> have one person who cannot control himself. Banning him will break the >>>>> fever and let the group move on. >>>>> >>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> Many believe that we have been visited >>>>> in the past. What if it were true? >>>>> >>>>> On 8/26/2015 7:31 AM, Yuma Decaux wrote: >>>>>> A very simple solution is for everyone to be aware that the list is >>>>>> moderated, and throw in a public warning to whoever is continuously >>>>>> abusing others verbally, not necessarily ban the person. The point is to >>>>>> make the offensive person reflect on themselves. Banning them would >>>>>> result in upsets and possible worse attitudes in other lists. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 26/08/2015, at 10:39 PM, Scott Granados <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes until you’ve eventually removed everyone from deviating from your >>>>>>> acceptable use over time. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Banning someone from any mailing list is just weak sauce. The only >>>>>>> exception to that at least for me is spammers. There have been serious >>>>>>> lack of moderation and spam problems on other lists like the eyesore >>>>>>> list from Google. Automated programs dumping recruiting adds and so >>>>>>> forth is just disruptive. Pending that though I couldn’t see banning >>>>>>> someone. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Aug 25, 2015, at 3:06 PM, E.T. <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It only takes one person to throw a list like this into utter chaos. >>>>>>>> Removing that person permanently would return the list to a relatively >>>>>>>> peaceful and more focused environment. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> Many believe that we have been visited >>>>>>>> in the past. What if it were true? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 8/25/2015 11:49 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote: >>>>>>>>> Yes indeed, this list has gone from, at various stages of its life, >>>>>>>>> totally noisy and idiotic, to totally over-regulated, veering back >>>>>>>>> toward the noisy end. I too am a great fan of the >>>>>>>>> love-it-or-leave-it style of discussion, but there’s something to be >>>>>>>>> said for having a person—possibly just one person—with a hand near to >>>>>>>>> the levers that restore calm and order in times of imminent crisis. >>>>>>>>> This goes as well for practically any networked service, not just >>>>>>>>> email lists. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to [email protected]. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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