Your rights end where my nose begins. I like that!
I’ve never heard that one before. That’s a great expression. > On Aug 26, 2015, at 5:06 PM, Karen Lewellen <[email protected]> wrote: > > Again I must agree. > there is a Maxim in legal studies, your rights end where my nose begins. One > meaning of this is that I and only i in the end decide if something is > offensive...largely because the other party is not going to agree regardless. > so, the greater question is why are you giving one person so much power over > you that you have to run away to another list? > To be honest, I am on this list, and I am totally lost as to who has started > another challenge...because I just do not read, or take personally messages > that are not true for me. > Karen > > > On Thu, 27 Aug 2015, Yuma Decaux wrote: > >> See what happens and keep this status quo going on while a majority is >> agreeing on several points? So we’re just discussing uselessly is this >> correct? >> >>> On 27/08/2015, at 2:41 AM, Jim Gatteys <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I guess we'll just have to see what happens. >>> I personally think it is counter productive to let one person make the >>> entire list not a good place for its members. But with all this discussion >>> we are giving him more attention which is probably what he wants in the >>> first place. >>> Jim >>> >>> >>>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 11:27 AM, Scott Granados <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> That’s an easy one, because no one person can and should speak for anyone >>>> else. >>>> >>>> We’ve already discussed on this thread what happens when a moderator goes >>>> all power hungry. I remember when it happened on an iteration of this >>>> list probably 4 years back now and most people left the group because the >>>> moderator in this case was on crack. >>>> >>>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 11:57 AM, Jim Gatteys <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Why should everybody have to create a rule to filter out one >>>>> objectionable person when a moderator could handle that quickly and >>>>> efficiently. >>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 10:04 AM, Scott Granados <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Just add the objectionable person to a rule and move it automatically to >>>>>> the trash. >>>>>> >>>>>> Simple, problem solved and no moderation. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Yuma Decaux <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ET is right, I am afraid to say this. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I cannot count the number of times this person has fired out, insulted, >>>>>>> then asked pardon, justifying some personal issues which do not belong >>>>>>> to any mailing list, then repeat the process almost within the hour. If >>>>>>> he is so defensive and threatening towards so many people, this is >>>>>>> because these responders also feel offended by his words. There is a >>>>>>> democratic process going on, a natural finger pointing of someone who >>>>>>> just abuses the fact that there are no moderators in this list. Some of >>>>>>> us try to resolve this one way or the other but nothing will be done if >>>>>>> no one takes action, gas bagging and cackering instead in the drainpipe >>>>>>> of opinionated expression. The latter is useless. Action can solve >>>>>>> everything. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Take care >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 27/08/2015, at 12:43 AM, E.T. <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There are as many opinions here as there are members of this group. >>>>>>>> This issue is generating a lot of traffic that is not helpful to the >>>>>>>> grpup. We have one person who cannot control himself. Banning him will >>>>>>>> break the fever and let the group move on. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> Many believe that we have been visited >>>>>>>> in the past. What if it were true? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 8/26/2015 7:31 AM, Yuma Decaux wrote: >>>>>>>>> A very simple solution is for everyone to be aware that the list is >>>>>>>>> moderated, and throw in a public warning to whoever is continuously >>>>>>>>> abusing others verbally, not necessarily ban the person. The point is >>>>>>>>> to make the offensive person reflect on themselves. Banning them >>>>>>>>> would result in upsets and possible worse attitudes in other lists. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 26/08/2015, at 10:39 PM, Scott Granados >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes until you’ve eventually removed everyone from deviating from >>>>>>>>>> your acceptable use over time. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Banning someone from any mailing list is just weak sauce. The only >>>>>>>>>> exception to that at least for me is spammers. There have been >>>>>>>>>> serious lack of moderation and spam problems on other lists like the >>>>>>>>>> eyesore list from Google. Automated programs dumping recruiting >>>>>>>>>> adds and so forth is just disruptive. Pending that though I >>>>>>>>>> couldn’t see banning someone. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 25, 2015, at 3:06 PM, E.T. <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It only takes one person to throw a list like this into utter >>>>>>>>>>> chaos. Removing that person permanently would return the list to a >>>>>>>>>>> relatively peaceful and more focused environment. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> Many believe that we have been visited >>>>>>>>>>> in the past. What if it were true? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 8/25/2015 11:49 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Yes indeed, this list has gone from, at various stages of its >>>>>>>>>>>> life, totally noisy and idiotic, to totally over-regulated, >>>>>>>>>>>> veering back toward the noisy end. I too am a great fan of the >>>>>>>>>>>> love-it-or-leave-it style of discussion, but there’s something to >>>>>>>>>>>> be said for having a person—possibly just one person—with a hand >>>>>>>>>>>> near to the levers that restore calm and order in times of >>>>>>>>>>>> imminent crisis. 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