Considering the kind of polemics this list is going through, and that I haven’t 
seen one topic of which I am not aware of being an older mac os/ios user, I 
think it is time to shut my subscription from this list and look for a more 
adapted list which tries to advance the ideas of technology, and voice over in 
particular. May someone point me to a list which basically does not discuss so 
much about how to click this icon or make this boot drive work with that OS but 
rather a more creative output of ideas, developer topics and other subjecst 
that may appeal more to computer scientists, programmers and other creative 
heads? I know of some list that goes in this line, but I am looking for a place 
where everyone, or a large majority is a blind apple developer, programmer or 
tech industrial who uses xcode or can enter a more intellectually stimulating 
line of topics to help me understand better what blind/visually impaired users 
are looking for in apps, technologies such as A.I, machine learning as applied 
to apps or even conceptual discussions for sonificating apps for games and 
interactive media? Or does such a list exist?

In any case, I hope this list will clean up a bit as now it has become a large 
boudoir of everyone throwing in their opinion on every topic, which has become 
very tedious and superfluous at this point. I am not pointing fingers at anyone 
in particular, but hope that as a group, this list will start putting more 
emphasis on what matters. Action is much more respectable than politics and 
competing to have the most score in giving technical advice or saying what you 
think. I have noticed one very important difference between sighted and 
visually impaired users. The former are inundated with visual advertising and 
therefore know how to filter out the superfluous. As a blind programmer, I live 
in a world almost devoid of any ads save youtube, and therefore am much aware 
of the superfluous. So I preffer filtering it out rather than sticking to some 
strange illusion of grandeur over being in some list where everyone is 
cackering over everything. In some ways, this is counter productive as it is 
hours and hours of writing back and forth, every day. Think about it. It has no 
utility and no intrinsic value.

But people get addicted to it, just like anything else in the world. I’d rather 
get addicted to producing music, apps, creating technologies and being outdoors 
camping, going to festivals, socialising, dining and doing sports than being 
addicted to responding to tech help requests.

In any case, take care of yourselves everyone.








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