Well,

I asked since apple is such a "green" company.  As I was rubbing my hand across 
the new solid oak tables, and work spaces I asked, " how many trees do you 
think apple had cut down to do this in all their stors", I got no answer

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 05:39
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: 10.11 and braille

Maybe not but we don’t lie about it either.:)  That whole VW / AUDI / PORSCHE 
thing cracks me up especially from a country that claims to be so green.

I don’t know about the braille literacy thing either to be fair.  Now this may 
have changed, I fully admit when I was in public school we still had public 
schools that were worth while and they hadn’t degraded to the point they are 
now but I as well as all the blind folks in my state at least received 
fantastic braille training as well as mobility and each blind student received 
a full free ride to college up to the cost of the degree if it was offered in 
our state school or full cost if the degree was only available outside the 
state or at certain universities like special technical degrees for example.  
Bringing this back on topic as blind students we were also encouraged to work 
with the computers which at the time were Apple 2 series.  I also had a blind 
teacher, in the states I believe they are called itinerate teachers or resource 
teachers who work with blind and other disabled students to augment the class 
room.  Maybe things have changed but at least when I went to school we had a 
pretty good deal?  I see a lot of European blind engineers on different lists 
so I suspect you have something similarly forward thinking available across the 
pond?

Oh and to the original poster and you, I’m in total agreement.  I’m not sure if 
the problem is that Apple doesn’t produce the hardware, I don’t suspect that 
it’s but what ever the reason the braille support is lacking and seriously 
lacking at that.  What’s interesting is the support is quite a bit better on 
the phone.  Braille at least with the focus 40 I’m using on the iPhone isn’t 
half bad, on the Mac though it’s just about unusable.  Could be the guy behind 
the keyboard (pointing at myself) but others have agreed so I don’t think it’s 
just me.




> On Oct 2, 2015, at 8:23 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Nah Anders, I feel your pain completely.  Even iOS has acceptable braille 
> support, so it’s not as if they couldn’t port that over to OS X.  Clearly 
> nobody at Apple uses or cares about braille.  Probably because it doesn’t 
> make them any money from hardware sales.  Kinda tragic.
> 
> Hey Scott, you can stop trolling now.  The grand old US of A isn’t exactly 
> known for its braille literacy or deep regard for environmentalism either. :)
> 
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