Hi! But we can still complain and say a lot of things about apple here. But why not let apple hear from us by writing to them. I still won’t stop using my mac but i want it to be better for people with blindness related problems. So is [email protected] the only way to get in touch with them. /A > On 16 Oct 2015, at 19:05, Mike Arrigo <[email protected]> wrote: > > I do think Apple is more committed to accessibility than Microsoft, but in > the last couple years, Apple's quality control has really suffered, and > that's the real issue, they release products without fully testing them. > Regarding Windows screen readers, there really is no reason to pay for > expensive screen readers anymore. NVDA works very well, and if you have a > recent version of Microsoft Office, you can use Window Eyes for free. To pay > for Jaws now is simply a waste of money. > Original message: >> Jaws is not the only game in town for windows. There is nvda, which is quite >> respectable these days. The argument that you get a freebie with a Mac and >> Windows screen readers are expensive just doesn't cut it anymore, especially >> with Apple producing but here releases of OS X when they are supposed to be >> "rock solid". I bought my first mac went snow leopard was the current >> version of OS X. It was pretty solid. Since then, there certainly have been >> improvements in voiceover features. I still believe it is clear that Apple >> has made for more of a commitment to accessibility then has Microsoft. After >> all, the new edge browser is totally inaccessible to all but the >> experimental support with the latest build of NVDA. However, Apple is quite >> open about this commitment, therefore, they have set themselves a higher >> standard. And they are not meeting it with this new release. When they >> release a product with serious voiceover issues, they are sending a message >> that their commitment to accessibility is not quite up to the standard of >> their commitment to those who do not need accessibility features. Is that >> really what they want to do? >> Mary > > >> Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Oct 16, 2015, at 9:18 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> The only problem is that Jaws costs a lot of money and Voice Over comes >>> with the Mac and has no ILM life. I have thought about getting a small >>> windows lap top but haven't done anything about it as yet. I do wish there >>> was better Braille sufport on the Mac. > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>> On 16 Oct 2015, at 4:46 p.m., Devin Prater <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> They should really hire a blind software engineer. I think that's about >>>> the only way we'll get any progress. > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>> On Oct 16, 2015, at 2:20 AM, Brian Fischler <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> Hey guy, > >>>>> Thanks so much for pointing out this is why it is great to wait to the >>>>> next version of an operating system comes out. Wow, what a original >>>>> novice concept that has never ever been pointed out on this list. > >>>>> Ok, now that that is out of the way. I want to thank everyone who has >>>>> posted about their issues with safari in El Capitan the IOS 8 for VO >>>>> users on the mac. Holy cow, Apple what a crap operating system. >>>>> Thankfully I will be rolling back this weekend. Just need to do some more >>>>> backups. Seriously, I love Apple, but you got to call them out when they >>>>> shit the bed and El Capitan is just that. Apple claimed IOS 9 and El >>>>> Capitan were going to be focused on Quality Control instead of fancy new >>>>> things. Well, how can Apple expect any VO user that they seriously test >>>>> VO when safari on a lot of websites is absolutely unusable. It is great >>>>> that VO seems to be much snappier but with it constantly crashing and >>>>> turning on and off it is unusable, and I am finding the same issue in >>>>> chrome on the same websites so it is definitely VO. > >>>>> Another issue which I have not seen posted is how VO just does not read >>>>> things. For example go through your contact list in contacts and you will >>>>> constantly have to go back up to a previous contact and then back down >>>>> again to get VO to read it. These two issues alone are so severe that >>>>> Apple should fire anyone doing Quality Control for VO or they just do not >>>>> care about the quality of it. Very disappointed in Apple again. >>>>>> On Oct 15, 2015, at 10:30 PM, Mike Arrigo <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>> This is why it’s always best to wait until at least the first, and >>>>>> sometimes the second major update before installing a new version of the >>>>>> operating system, let the major bugs get worked out first. >>>>>>> On Oct 15, 2015, at 5:42 PM, Sadam Ahmed <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>> This is why I have Rolled back to Yosemite. > >>>>>>> These are some of the worst bugs I've seen since I started using the >>>>>>> Mac back in 2010. > >>>>>>> Won't be updating until a update comes out to address these problems. > >>>>>>> Yours truly, > >>>>>>> Sadam Ahmed > >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>>>> -- > > > >>>>>>>> On 16 Oct 2015, at 9:16 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>> Is that with the official build, or is that with the private beta? I >>>>>>>> confess I really haven't tried doing anything with Safari over there >>>>>>>> since I finally got successfully updated. How are people getting >>>>>>>> around this being that surfing the web is so heavily done now adays >>>>>>>> with computers? Are folks just using Crome instead? What about >>>>>>>> Webkit? Is it any better? > >>>>>>>> Chris. > >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Miller" >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 6:12 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever? > > >>>>>>>> Hi, > >>>>>>>> Safari on 10.11 is pretty pathetic right now. It’s the worst >>>>>>>> experience I’ve ever had while using OS X. > >>>>>>>>> On Oct 15, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> Hello. > >>>>>>>>> Just been using Safari as I went to the online RNIB library >>>>>>>>> catalogue. Safari is terrible on that website and I wonder if Safari >>>>>>>>> is broken? Once I sign in and browse for books either in braille or >>>>>>>>> for Talking books, Safari won’t read the search results as it keeps >>>>>>>>> saying dialogue. Also I am going to try out Overdrive again in due >>>>>>>>> course so I hope it’s been fixed with IOS9 as I had problems with it >>>>>>>>> when I tried it on the I phone 6 Plus. Now I am using the 6 Plus S >>>>>>>>> wonder if it will improve. > >>>>>>>>> I wish I could get rid of the favourites bar in safari and get it >>>>>>>>> back to how it was when I was using it in Yosemite. I apologise if I >>>>>>>>> have misspelt the name wrong again but I try to spell it wright. > >>>>>>>>> Thanks. > >>>>>>>>> Kawal. > >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to [email protected]. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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