I cannot help but surmise that there are many many factors outside of Apple that contributes to ongoing issues.

An example is the web and its constantly evolving interfaces. Some webmasters may do a nice job and some might throw in all the bells and whistles that do nothing but create garbage on the screen. And all the while, we expect Apple to be able to stay one step ahead. Its not just Apple.

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On 11/9/2015 8:52 AM, Sadam Ahmed wrote:
Mark,

I can't say I agree.

El Capitan at least to me, is far removed from previous releases when it
comes to bugs.

I yearn for  the days of Mountain Lion when Safari didn't lock up.



On 11/10/2015 12:05 AM, jeff `greene wrote:
Hi Mark, Thanks for your input! The first time I updated to 10.11 half
of my apps would open saying "program" has no windows. Some of these
have been updated since, and a couple i got rid of because I found
better options on the app store. Also in 10.11 safari seemed really
buggy, I couldn't always search from the address bar, while typing my
search term all of a sudden voiceover would say "no heading" etc and
I'd be popped out of the address bar. This safari strangeness was also
happening when i went back to 10.10.5 but now seems to be better. I
think I'm going to wait until 10.11.2 comes out and then give it
another shot!
Thanks, Jeff


On 11/9/15, David Chittenden <[email protected]> wrote:
Hello,

I am in complete agreement with Mark. I also use standard view in
mail. Then
again, I mainly use my tiny computer, AKA iPhone 6+.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 9 Nov 2015, at 20:59, M. Taylor <[email protected]> wrote:

Hello Jeff,

I, for one, am absolutely delighted with El Capitan.  I cannot
reproduce
many of the bugs that some have mentioned.  This may be, in part,
because
of the differences in the way people interact with the OS and/or
applications.

For instance, I think the Mail application is better than ever but,
I use
the mail application in standard/default view, complete with the
preview
pane, as opposed to Classic view.

I think it comes down to how and what applications are most
important to
the user.  For me, the most important application is OS X Mail.  So,
for
me, as long as that one works as expected, then I can deal with all the
rest.  Having said that, I am finding El Capitan to be a remarkably
stable
and accessible compliment to iOS 9.x in virtually every regard.

Consider this:  If you were going to buy a new Mac, today, it would
ship
with El Capitan.  Now, would that fact prevent you from buying the Mac?
because of the reputed bugs?

I don't think I've ever heard of a VoiceOver user returning a recently
purchased Mac because of accessibility bugs.

Just something to consider.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of jeff `greene
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 2:35 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: haven't taken the plunge yet!

Hi, Well when OS X 10.11 came out I upgraded and it wasn’t a good
experience. Now I notice they are up to 10.11.1 do you think I
should try
it again? I’m running a 2012 15-inch macbook pro with 16gb of ram
and an
SSd. What do you guys think?
Thanks, Jeff

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