Hi!

I can't say I'm a huge fan of Terminal with VoiceOver. Unfortunately, it's never been great unless you use the Toggle Text Spoken feature which prevents the cursor from moving. Unfortunately, I'm not so sure that we'll ever see some improvement in this area. Terminal is usable, but I prefer using Terminal elsewhere for command line. It isn't as efficient, primarily because VoiceOver interrupts as the cursor moves, causing you to miss potential errors and having to look manually

I use it still, but I prefer scripts these days because of it.

App Store has gotten horrible in 10.11. Inability focus, and the infamous updates tab still has plenty of focus issues when checking for updates and updating applications. You'd think this would have been squashed since the initial introduction of the App Store way back, but apparently this is a really difficult one.

Emails don't read automatically for me, and I often have to mess around with it. If this is an HTML email, this becomes progressively worse, and I'm still a firm believer that they should switch to HTML content areas for HTML emails. Outlook actually does this, and VoiceOver handles HTML far better than it does in regular text areas.

Saying that, I still use El Capitan because I've learned to work around a lot of the annoyances. Hopefully when 10.11.5 hits, a lot of it will be gone and feel like a great experience to me.

Nicolai
On 11/23/2015 8:10 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
I for one have had very good success.  I’m using mail in the newer threaded 
view, safari and things like shell and such with out any issue.  Finding it 
also very snappy.  I figured I was lucky though or I’m not a power user enough 
to use the advanced features that others may have issues with.  Not sure but 
put me down as happy on El Capitan.


On Nov 22, 2015, at 5:33 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <[email protected]> 
wrote:

Sadam,

Remember though, you said beta.  I'm not running the beta.  I'm on the actual 
10.11.1 official release.  I'm not sure if that's rellavent or not, honestly.

Again, I am not doubting for even a fraction of a second that lots of you have 
had, or still are! having trouble.  Don't forget about the disaster I ran into 
the first time I tried installing.  God, what a nightmare that was!

I may have gotten lucky.  I dono.  Here is something though to consider.

I wonder how much of it has to do with what items run at logon, and in general, 
what items are installed, vs. not! installed.

I dono, it's just a thought.

Chris.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Sadam Ahmed" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: So, what is the beaf about El Capitan?


Chris,

All I can say is you got lucky.

After my initial upgrade and the horrible experience I am staying put for now.

Hopefully the current beta which should be out soon will alleviate some of my 
problems.

But this is the worst release since getting the Mac over 5 years ago.

Yours truly,

Sadam Ahmed

Sent from my iPhone

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On 21 Nov 2015, at 8:27 PM, Chris Gilland <[email protected]> wrote:

OK, I have a question.

I’m interested to know if people are still having tons of issues with El 
Capitan, and are deciding to not upgrade past Yosemite as of yet.

Honestly, I think that the time has come finally when 10.11 is actually worth 
the upgrade.  I’ve been travelling for the past week, as of today, and the only 
laptop I’ve had with me is my late 2012 13 inch macbook pro. I am running 
10.11.1 on it.  Not even the public beta.  This is the official release.  Maybe 
I’ve just gotten lucky this time, which considerring my initial disaster, 
surprises me intensely, but I was a little leery about taking only my IPhone 
with I O S 9.1, and my macbook with El Capitan.  I figured however I’d give it 
a shot.  Honestly, I’ve had to do quite a bit of research this last week.

We’ve been in Orlando at Disneyworld, and so, it was my job to be the group 
coordinator for my family to figure out what theme parks had which attractions, 
and were they accessible with audio description etc.  OK, granted, it was the 
Disney web site I was looking on, which in itself is pretty darn easy to 
navigate in general, but the point is, I used Safari, and I didn’t have even 
slightly any of the issues people have reported on this list.  At least, if I 
did, they were so mild in nature that I didn’t even notice it in the least.

Also, I had to e-mail back and forth with my aunt who was looking up info as 
well with her IPad.  We both sent info back and forth, which obviously meant me 
having to get really familiar with 10.11.1 and using the Mail app.  Again, OK, 
granted, I’m using classic view, but it worked flawlessly.

So, I don’t get it.  I know people are gonna be people.  People are going to 
say things suck, when in all actuality, they may just want to throw a bit of a 
drama for the world to see, but let’s be realistic.  I! am not really seeing 
any major issues at all, but there is definitely that possibility that others 
still are.

So, I’m curious how many of you all agree that things have finally kind a 
settled down, as far as stability goes.

I’ll admit, 10.11 was kind of gross, but once the 10.11.1update came out, it 
seems that pretty much, maybe not everything, but most 90% of things have been 
fixed.

Chris.

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