Ah, that's why. Cmd-tab is the only way I switch between apps, so windowless ones popping up as I do that get in the way of ones still in use. I can see how using other means of navigating apps would eliminate the problem, but I've not found anything faster than cmd-tab for moving between apps. > On Dec 8, 2015, at 16:46, Bill Dengler <[email protected]> wrote: > > They appear in the dock, but have no windows, so there’s nothing for the app > to display. > How do they get in the way? > I have several windowless apps on the mac running sometimes and don’t think > they “get in the way” unless I’m using cmd+tab. Launchpad, applications > folder, and spotlight are unaffected. > Bill >> On Dec 8, 2015, at 4:10 PM, Alex Hall <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Makes sense, thanks guys. Knowing that the X is equivalent to cmd-w explains >> a lot. I really expected there to be a clickable icon for quitting, too, but >> I guess not. I wonder if apps that have "no windows" to VoiceOver are >> visible at all on the screen? They get in the way to me, but visually, I >> wonder if they disappear as though the user had quit them? >>> On Dec 8, 2015, at 14:50, Anne Robertson <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> Hello Alex, >>> >>> The X is equivalent to Cmd-w. She needs to go to the application menu and >>> click on Quit. Otherwise, she could just use Cmd-q. >>> The standard shortcut to get to the menus is Ctrl-F2. >>> To go to the Dock is Ctrl-F3. >>> To go to the menu extras is Ctrl-F6. >>> To go to the toolbar is Ctrl-F5. >>> >>> I use these shortcuts all the time, except in Pages where they don’t work! >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Anne >>> >>> >>>> On 8 Dec 2015, at 19:29, Alex Hall <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi list, >>>> My mother uses a Mac, and whenever I have to take it to fix or install >>>> something, I find a bunch of apps open. This isn't a problem, but they're >>>> all empty. Safari, messages, Mail, and others are all there when I >>>> command-tab, but all report "has now windows" when I switch to any of >>>> them. I told her she can leave things open and not worry about it, and if >>>> she wants to close apps, just close them completely. >>>> >>>> She responded that she does; she clicks the X, and to her, the app goes >>>> away. To VoiceOver, though, the app is there but totally empty. >>>> >>>> Does anyone have any idea what might be going on? Clearly, 'clicking the >>>> X' is different from command-q, but how? Is VoiceOver seeing something >>>> hidden, or is this X not the same as the X in Windows? using a mouse, how >>>> do you actually close an app? 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