Funny how that sums up most arguments whether it’s cryptography, guns or wrenches.
Well said. The only problem is it’s an almost fair fight. It’s a more fair fight than usual which gives me hope but Apple doesn’t get to have guns meaning they don’t get to grab bank accounts of their adversary and they don’t get to claim national security and executive action and all that. But, you’re right on a financial level. Actually, one could make a real case that Apple is more credit worthy although I’d counter that by factoring in all the physical holdings and so forth, anyway outside the scope of this list but I like the comparison. Maybe the rights of the citizens will stand a chance. Facebook and Twitter are behind apple as well, that’s additional war chests. That’s a lot of political influence. Ah well I think I’ll just campaign for Trump and then move to New Zealand when he wins. > On Feb 18, 2016, at 5:40 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > Just a few summary bits: > > 1. The phone uses the user's PIN and a unique value burned into the device to > come up with encryption key so there isn't a way to get that ID out of the > device without first unlocking the device. There is also the 10 try limit and > then the data self destructs, so it's a pretty tough nut for the law folks to > crack without ruining the contents. > > 2. The issue is not the event but the path it places Apple on. The US > government is not the only one clamoring for a crack in the armor. If Apple > does it for the US, I'm sure the firehose would be open and they would have > every other government and nation on the planet lined up at their door as > well. Some of those nations may or may not keep that special privileged for > the purpose intended. So I can understand Cook's lack of enthusiasm to open > Pandora's box. > > 3. At least it's a somewhat fair fight. Apple is a Goliath that has the > resources to stand behind what it says. Not so much if the government went > after some little software vendor or the like. Apple can wait it out, fight > it out and do whatever it takes to stand their ground. > > 4. If Apple loses or caves and anyone can snoop your device, that just > scatters the roaches to other places and platforms. If Apple, due to it's > US-centric operations can't hold onto it's security then the bad guys will > just migrate to other tools from other locales which have not been cracked. > > A wrench can be used to both repair and maim, so should it be saddled with > regulation and control due to a potential bad actor using it for ill > purposes? If so, will the tool's utility be diminished or ruined under the > burden? > > CB > > On 2/18/16 12:57 PM, Scott Granados wrote: >> Hi Michael, >> >> I agree with you on the first I think this topic is equally important to any >> citizens or anyone who does business or transacts with in the US. So I >> agree I think it’s important for blind users but in the same way it’s >> important for left handed users or PC users.:) >> >> Secondly, you ask a good question but think it through with me. Once you >> introduce a mechanism to break through security you make an opening >> available to be exploited. So let’s say Apple develops some magical way to >> crack their cyphers, that method now exists for the bad guys. Once it >> exists you can’t put it back in the box. So what Apple doesn’t want to do >> is compromise everyones security just to examine the contents of a single >> phone. >> >> Does that make sense I hope I explained that well. >> >> Good question btw. >> >>> On Feb 18, 2016, at 12:52 PM, Michael Malver <mmal...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Two questions: >>> 1. Why is this topic any more important for blind users than for any other? >>> That supposition is non-sensical to me. >>> >>> 2. Since this topic is apparently on-topic, why couldn't Apple design some >>> sort of tool whereby law enforcement could send a specific device to Apple, >>> who could then take the device apart, and read/decrypt the data, much as >>> one might now do through the removal of a hard rive from a laptop? >>> Asked another way, could something be developed which isn't part of the >>> operating system, but which could helplaw enforcement perform their task? >>> For what it's worth, I think Tim is doing absolutely the right thing. A >>> couple bad Americans shouldn't disrupt the majority of us who deserve >>> incryption and who would not misuse it. >>> I ask the above purely as hypotheticles. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T. >>> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 11:40 AM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Any comments on Apple's position against unreasonable search >>> >>> Not to encourage more heavy traffic but this IS an important issue >>> especially for blind users. >>> >>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>> Many believe that we have been visited >>> in the past. What if it were true? >>> >>> On 2/18/2016 9:30 AM, Michael Malver wrote: >>>> I have a very important comment: >>>> This topic should be off topic for this list, which deals with how blind >>>> people interact with iPhones. I am not a moderator, but I hope I am right >>>> about this. >>>> >>>>> On Feb 18, 2016, at 11:27 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Wonder if anyone else is following Tim Cook’s position against being >>>>> forced to cripple the security on iPhones. 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