Hi Phil, Yes, it was. I thought I’d copy it to this list in case others felt the same way and wanted to give similar feedback to Apple. Or indeed perhaps had a reason for liking the behaviour and wanted to explain why it should be how it is.
I can understand you preferring to just live with it. I’ve managed to survive this long and am sure I’ll continue to survive even if Apple doesn’t take on the feedback. But I try and give feedback when I can because I guess if you don’t ask you don’t get. If Apple doesn’t hear from its customers on what we like and what we don’t like, then I guess it will just make its best guess or just leave it as is. Admittedly I don’t often find the time to write to Apple as often as I’d like, and many of my issues just remain as items on my to-do list. But I’m trying to become a bit more active with my feedback. There were quite a few improvements with Numbers version 3.6, but some annoying changes as well. I hope it will continue to improve in future versions. > On 21 Apr 2016, at 11:45 AM, Phil Halton <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Nicholas quite annoying isn't it? I assume that this is a copy of an email > you sent to the excess ability team at Apple. If so it's a very good message > and I hope they listen to you. For myself, I've just learned to live with it > as I learn to live with a lot of things. > > > Sent from my IPhone > > >> On Apr 20, 2016, at 5:27 PM, Nicholas Parsons >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> In the latest version of Numbers—and it seems since about version >> 3.6—VoiceOver will say the row or column number before saying the contents >> of the selected cell when navigating by cell using either just the arrow >> keys or the VO and arrow keys together in a table without both header >> columns and header rows. >> >> Let me explain a little more. >> >> VoiceOver has always said—and still says—the header column name before the >> contents of the selected cell when navigating left or right in a table. And >> it has always said—and still says—the header row name before the contents of >> the selected cell when navigating up or down in a table. This is extremely >> helpful to explain the significance of the data in the cell. >> >> The thing that has changed in the recent version(s) of Numbers is that when >> there is no header column VoiceOver will say the name of the row (e.g. “Row >> 27”) before the contents of the selected cell when moving up and down in a >> table. And if there’s no header row, VoiceOver will say the column name >> (e.g. “Column 27”) before the selected cell's contents when moving left or >> right in the table. >> >> I find this behaviour more of a hinderance than a help. Say we have a table >> with 1 header row and 0 header columns in which the leftmost column contains >> dates. If I want to quickly skim through the leftmost column to find a >> particular date, I have to listen to VoiceOver saying, “Row 2,”, “Row 3”, >> “Row 4”, etc before it says the date. So it slows me down significantly, >> without helping at all. VoiceOver has always said—and still says—the >> name/coordinates of the selected cell after it says the cell’s contents. So >> a VoiceOver user will always know where in the table he or she is. Given >> this, the extra information of the row/column number is unnecessary. >> >> My feedback/request is: please revert to the old behaviour where VoiceOver >> only says the name of the row/column if there is a header column/row, and >> otherwise omits that information. >> >> Tested with Numbers version 3.6.1 (2566) >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >> Quinn - you can reach Cara at [email protected] >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara > Quinn - you can reach Cara at [email protected] > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. 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