Hi Saqib, Don't give up on learning the Mac. I was in my forties when I got my first Mac in 2009. For about the first two months that I had it, I just wanted to throw it at something. But then at some point, everything just clicked, and now I wouldn't go back for anything in the world. You really will get it, it just takes time. Cheers, Donna > On Jun 18, 2016, at 3:29 AM, Saqib Hussain <saqib1...@icloud.com> wrote: > > Hi. High percentage of people would generally use windows anyway and it would > make sense for them to continue to endorse windows I bought a Mac mini two > weeks ago and I'm already starting to give up on it because my 40-year-old > eaging brain can't cope with the new operating system and all the commands > that I have to remember > >> On 17 Jun 2016, at 11:19, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: >> >> It'sinteresting you guys are saying that your schools / colleges are going >> for windows machines over macs due to price. >> >> I work in tertiary education and we're finding a mix of this situation, >> >> We the university are putting in windows based systems such as a citrix >> managed desktop for students >> And giving students Microsoft office 365 accounts for access to email and >> cloud based services. >> >> Yet we find that a major number over 50% now of students are coming to >> university with mac books of one type or another as that is what their high >> schools are recommending for them or selling them when they start high >> school. >> >> We find them more reliable and longer lasting when it comes to ware and tear >> as well as keeping up to date with the OS versions Mac OS doesn’t change as >> much as the windows environments >> >> Yet our senior management teams only seem to want Microsoft products, >> possibly because they do great deals for educational fascilities >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Badger >> Sent: Friday, 17 June 2016 2:06 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra? >> >> Donna, >> I work in higher Ed as well. I have noticed the same thing. I am getting >> ready to start a new job, and when I asked for a Mac they thought I was >> asking for something extravagant. That is, until I told them that jaws would >> cost close to $1000 and therefore the cost would equal that of a Mac. Then >> they were OK with it. >> Nancy >> >> Nancy Badger, Ph.D >> Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services UT Chattanooga Sent from my >> iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors. >> >>> On Jun 16, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote: >>> >>> Microsoft also has the higher education market cornered. Though many >>> individual faculty prefer to use Macs, every campus I've ever been on was >>> primarily a PC campus. When we came to SIU I made a real push to try and >>> get them to move toward Mac, but the head of IT at the time was in bed with >>> some big wig at Dell, so SIU is Dell PCs pretty much exclusively. >>> Cheers, >>> Donna >>> >>>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 11:39 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> Well, first, integrating Macs in to windows environments is very simple. >>>> At least it has been in the examples I’ve seen which are fairly large >>>> rollouts. Granted I don’t know how this was in the Leopard or Lion days >>>> but more recently the integration has been very good. >>>> >>>> You could harden the devices to make them more kid proof than they are out >>>> of the box. Depends on the over all budget though, generic PCs may well >>>> be the least expensive way to go. >>>> >>>> Maybe it’s my industry then because I’m not seeing the use of Windows >>>> nearly as much. You still see it on the administrative side, there’s >>>> usually large active directory farms and such but as far as the end >>>> clients laptops, almost all Mac in my experience. Then again, I’m seeing >>>> Macs everywhere now, Starbucks, on the train. It was shocking me the wide >>>> use of macs when we were having the discussion of the mac disappearing >>>> because they are everywhere, at least up here in the North East US. >>>> >>>> I’ve also seen a lot of the back end Windows stuff being replaced with >>>> Linux. There’s some real good open source alternatives out there and even >>>> Big companies (TripAdvisor being one) switched to a linux backend with >>>> Macs for the employees. >>>> >>>> Maybe other industries are more Windows saturated. I’ve heard for example >>>> that Microsoft has the federal market cornered. >>>> >>>> On 6/15/16, 12:13 PM, "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" >>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I suspect the Mac v. Win population numbers are driven by bulk >>>> institutional purchases. While there are a few all-Mac shops there >>>> are many more all-Windows shops. I was just at a PTA meeting at my >>>> kids elementary school last night where they were going to help fund >>>> buying >>>> 60 computers for the school. Of course I would love for them to be >>>> Macs but I also understand how painful it would be to >>>> integrate/support them in an otherwise all Windows place. Plus they >>>> were $400 a pop with all the apps installed. For generic web surfing >>>> and wordprocessing boxes that little kids are going to beat up, do >>>> you really want to put pearls before swine? You won't find wood fired >>>> chestnut pancakes or pasta ncasciata in the school cafeteria either. >>>> For those who have thought about it and get to choose, the Mac is a >>>> compelling solution. >>>> >>>> CB >>>> >>>>> On 6/15/16 10:09 AM, Scott Granados wrote: >>>>> No need for a sick bag here, I’m pretty much in agreement with you. >>>>> >>>>> Interesting you mentioned Woz. Oh how I wish his influence has >>>>> persisted. Not to date myself to heavily here but I was a huge fan of >>>>> the Apple 2 architecture. I cut my teeth on that architecture. I >>>>> remember being a wee sprout saving and saving and saving for almost a >>>>> year working random odd family jobs and such to raise the 3500 US I >>>>> needed to buy the setup I wanted. That’s when computing was still fun. >>>>> Ah the things I did with my Apple Cat modem. (I would like to personally >>>>> thank who ever thought it was a good idea to include a full function tone >>>>> generator, voice synthesizer, DTMF decoder, sampler and expansion >>>>> capabilities on a modem and the FBI would not like to thank you but >>>>> that’s for another list) The point is, that was solid thinking I coul >>>>> get behind. The battle between the Steves for the number of expansion >>>>> slots, the great built in language (Apple Soft), and on and on and on. >>>>> Woz was definitely more on the openness side and so am I so I can see >>>>> your hope that he would rise again although I’m not betting on it. >>>>> I had the privilege of meeting him a few times once at a very small >>>>> Scotch and Cigar function with maybe 25 people. Very grounded, friendly, >>>>> unassuming guy, totally a geeky engineer which I totally dig. Funny how >>>>> opposite the two Steves were. >>>>> >>>>> I hope what you say comes to pass in that at least something will persist >>>>> on the notebook side. >>>>> >>>>> I’m a little surprised of the downfall of the mac only because of how >>>>> many are out there now. Up here anyway, every Starbucks is full of >>>>> people on Macs, huge employers are all Mac now including Fidelity and >>>>> Thomson International, and since about 2013 or so all the gigs I’ve >>>>> worked on were Mac shops not by choice but by luck. With such a hold on >>>>> laptops especially I’d think they would like to keep that but I fear your >>>>> right. The cool enhanced Unix environment is slowly being squeezed. I >>>>> wonder if there will be a day where terminal isn’t included with the Mac. >>>>> I believe that would be the day I go elsewhere. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 6/15/16, 6:00 AM, "Sabahattin Gucukoglu" >>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf of listse...@me.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Rant ahead; get your sick bags handy. :) >>>>>> >>>>>> Honestly, I’d be fine with trying out a giant iPad for my daily work, if >>>>>> Apple were honest in acknowledging their estrangement from the Mac as a >>>>>> proper workstation OS with proper character and robustness, and were >>>>>> instead committed to fully transitioning to iOS for everything, because >>>>>> a workstation OS is something I believe a certain class of computer >>>>>> users (including me and probably you, Scott, as well) really need. A >>>>>> commenter on OSXDaily ( obsolete name as of now :) ) by the name of >>>>>> Steve Steele ( awesome name :) ) sums it up very well: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I hate that Apple has taken OS X from being a super cool and modern >>>>>>> UNIX workstation that started life powering Job’s NeXT Cubes, and >>>>>>> turned it into a candy colored silly sidekick to iOS. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For a few glorious years we had Steve Jobs wanting revenge on the tech >>>>>>> world, and OS X was his centerpiece. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now we have Tim Cook’s macOS. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I say off with his head and the rest of the focus groups inside of >>>>>>> Apple that have neutered our once lean and mean workstation OS. I >>>>>>> seriously now hope there is a coup happening inside of Apple. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Woz, where are you? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Stay strong osxdaily. >>>>>> Yeah. This. A thousand times this. >>>>>> >>>>>> I started seriously with OS X—sorry, macOS—in Leopard, on my own >>>>>> MacBook, in 2008 when Vista was the final straw for me and the >>>>>> iPhone was booming. Others here will have used Tiger and maybe >>>>>> even the classic Macintosh. Things have changed a very great deal >>>>>> since Jobs fell in love with his newest iCreations and Apple became >>>>>> a consumer electronics company. The neglect of the Mac has gone >>>>>> from being a minor but understandable irritant to a full-scale >>>>>> domestic assault. Lion was the start of it, you’re right. I >>>>>> should have seen that. But it did offer exciting new features, and >>>>>> at least one of them, Resume, is noticeably absent on Snow Leopard >>>>>> and Windows. I won’t rehash my views about the systemic >>>>>> degradation of OS X since Snow since I’ve flogged it to death on >>>>>> here before ( and you know how it is with people who think Apple is >>>>>> perfect no matter what they do :) ), but suffice it to say that I >>>>>> (and, it would appear, many others) thought I was getting something >>>>>> better at the time Lion came out: an operating system that combined >>>>>> the robustness of the Mac with some of that rare, task-oriented >>>>>> simplicity and beauty of iOS. But instead of a pair of operating >>>>>> systems each suited ideally to its tasks, with its own personality >>>>>> and paradigm, and perhaps with the ambition to benefit from the >>>>>> others’ virtues, or an inevitable transition to a lean, mean, >>>>>> mobile platform that’s open enough to be used as a proper computer >>>>>> all by itself, we get a locked-down toy OS that struggles to be >>>>>> taken seriously as a proper computer OS, despite the fact that it’s >>>>>> competition is succeeding it in Business (Microsoft Surface), and >>>>>> an increasingly useless and trivialised desktop OS with nothing to >>>>>> recommend it over the laughingstock that was its former >>>>>> competition, and whose usefulness is severely being compromised by >>>>>> its need to lock you in to Apple’s services, the lack of >>>>>> upgradability of hardware, and the need for Apple’s other ecosystem >>>>>> devices. Oh my, how things have changed … >>>>>> >>>>>> Still I hold out hope that the transition will eventually be completed. >>>>>> The Mac will die (sorry fanboys, but it’s true) and iOS, while it will >>>>>> be inferior because of its close ties to Apple, will be one platform for >>>>>> doing your computing. Maybe that’s a version of reality I could cope >>>>>> with. Apple would cater to the demands of the market, either destroying >>>>>> the Mac’s advantages (say, by hosting services for you) or improving the >>>>>> hardware. The form factor that the Mac represents, especially the >>>>>> keyboard-and-mouse interface, or maybe even the >>>>>> keyboard-and-touchscreen, will be catered for, as will the necessary >>>>>> peripherals. >>>>>> >>>>>> Please dispose of your sick bags in the receptacles provided. :) >>>>>> >>>>>> I’m using VMWare Fusion to run the Mac VM. It’s imperfect (sound a bit >>>>>> stuttery), but it works well enough. >>>>>> >>>>>> You can learn more about “Apple File System” (APFS) here: >>>>>> https://developer.apple.com/wwdc/schedule/#/details/701 >>>>>> >>>>>> Per-object and metadata encryption, sparse files, de-duplication on >>>>>> copy, low-overhead crash safety, snapshots, atomic directory >>>>>> renames … good show. And yes, a very big improvement over HFS+, >>>>>> indeed. :) >>>>>> >>>>>> Just now, using APFS (on disk images and external devices) is a >>>>>> dangerous and advanced business, fit only for people who have good >>>>>> backups and command-line foo. If you follow that link, you’ll find >>>>>> documentation. If you Google it, you’ll find lots of geeky insights, >>>>>> which will really work for you if you like that kind of depth of >>>>>> understanding. Testing is limited to data files; Time Machine isn’t >>>>>> supported yet, you can’t export to AFP (HFS legacy, that) and you can’t >>>>>> actually boot the system from an APFS volume group. But Apple says that >>>>>> stuff is coming. >>>>>> >>>>>> Object recognition in photos, like grouping pictures based on related >>>>>> objects, and identifying particular objects. 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