Hi,

One thing I wish they would do is make it easyer to remove the preview pain in mail. As it stands now, you have to drag the slider bar to the bottom of the screen and for someone who doesn't use a mouse or track pad very often this is a pain.


Matthew




On 06/19/2016 04:29 AM, Saqib Hussain wrote:
Hi. Thanks for the encouragement and I'm going to try a couple more episodes of 
the David Woodbridge podcasts today  The great Ausi is keeping me going.  I'm 
going to tackle emails today  I have been doing a couple of podcasts every 
other day and this means I don't get too much information at one time

On 18 Jun 2016, at 13:31, Donna Goodin <[email protected]> wrote:

Hi Saqib,

Don't give up on learning the Mac.  I was in my forties when I got my first Mac 
in 2009.  For about the first two months that I had it, I just wanted to throw 
it at something.  But then at some point, everything just clicked, and now I 
wouldn't go back for anything in the world.  You really will get it, it just 
takes time.
Cheers,
Donna
On Jun 18, 2016, at 3:29 AM, Saqib Hussain <[email protected]> wrote:

Hi. High percentage of people would generally use windows anyway and it would 
make sense for them to continue to endorse windows  I bought a Mac mini two 
weeks ago and I'm already starting to give up on it because my 40-year-old 
eaging brain can't cope with the new operating system and all the commands that 
I have to  remember

On 17 Jun 2016, at 11:19, Simon Fogarty <[email protected]> wrote:

It'sinteresting you guys are saying that your schools / colleges are going for 
windows machines over macs due to price.

I work in tertiary education and we're finding a mix of this situation,

We the university are putting in windows based systems such as a citrix managed 
desktop for students
And giving students  Microsoft office 365 accounts for access to email and 
cloud based services.

Yet we find that a major number over 50% now of students are coming to 
university with mac books of one type or another as that is what their high 
schools are recommending for them or selling them when they start high school.

We find them more reliable and longer lasting when it comes to ware and tear as 
well as keeping up to date with the OS versions Mac OS doesn’t change as much 
as the windows environments

Yet our senior management teams only seem to want Microsoft products, possibly 
because they do great deals for educational fascilities

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] 
On Behalf Of Nancy Badger
Sent: Friday, 17 June 2016 2:06 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: any thoughts on Mac OS Sierra?

Donna,
I work in higher Ed as well. I have noticed the same thing. I am getting ready 
to start a new job, and when I asked for a Mac they thought I was asking for 
something extravagant. That is, until I told them that jaws would cost close to 
$1000 and therefore the cost would equal that of a Mac. Then they were OK with 
it.
Nancy

Nancy Badger, Ph.D
Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services UT Chattanooga Sent from my iPhone 
with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.

On Jun 16, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Donna Goodin <[email protected]> wrote:

Microsoft also has the higher education market cornered.  Though many 
individual faculty prefer to use Macs, every campus I've ever been on was 
primarily a PC campus.  When we came to SIU I made a real push to try and get 
them to move toward Mac, but the head of IT at the time was in bed with some 
big wig at Dell, so SIU is Dell PCs pretty much exclusively.
Cheers,
Donna

On Jun 15, 2016, at 11:39 AM, Scott Granados <[email protected]> wrote:

Well, first, integrating Macs in to windows environments is very simple.  At 
least it has been in the examples I’ve seen which are fairly large rollouts.  
Granted I don’t know how this was in the Leopard or Lion days but more recently 
the integration has been very good.

You could harden the devices to make them more kid proof than they are out of 
the box.  Depends on the over all budget though, generic PCs may well be the 
least expensive way to go.

Maybe it’s my industry then because I’m not seeing the use of Windows nearly as 
much.  You still see it on the administrative side, there’s usually large 
active directory farms and such but as far as the end clients laptops, almost 
all Mac in my experience.  Then again, I’m seeing Macs everywhere now, 
Starbucks, on the train.  It was shocking me the wide use of macs when we were 
having the discussion of the mac disappearing because they are everywhere, at 
least up here in the North East US.

I’ve also seen a lot of the back end Windows stuff being replaced with Linux.  
There’s some real good open source alternatives out there and even Big 
companies (TripAdvisor being one) switched to a linux backend with Macs for the 
employees.

Maybe other industries are more Windows saturated.  I’ve heard for example that 
Microsoft has the federal market cornered.

On 6/15/16, 12:13 PM, "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
<[email protected]> wrote:

I suspect the Mac v. Win population numbers are driven by bulk
institutional purchases. While there are a few all-Mac shops there
are many more all-Windows shops. I was just at a PTA meeting at my
kids elementary school last night where they were going to help fund
buying
60 computers for the school. Of course I would love for them to be
Macs but I also understand how painful it would be to
integrate/support them in an otherwise all Windows place. Plus they
were $400 a pop with all the apps installed. For generic web surfing
and wordprocessing boxes that little kids are going to beat up, do
you really want to put pearls before swine? You won't find wood fired
chestnut pancakes or pasta ncasciata in the school cafeteria either.
For those who have thought about it and get to choose, the Mac is a compelling 
solution.

CB

On 6/15/16 10:09 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
No need for a sick bag here, I’m pretty much in agreement with you.

Interesting you mentioned Woz.  Oh how I wish his influence has persisted.  Not 
to date myself to heavily here but I was a huge fan of the Apple 2 
architecture.  I cut my teeth on that architecture.  I remember being a wee 
sprout saving and saving and saving for almost a year working random odd family 
jobs and such to raise the 3500 US I needed to buy the setup I wanted.  That’s 
when computing was still fun.  Ah the things I did with my Apple Cat modem.  (I 
would like to personally thank who ever thought it was a good idea to include a 
full function tone generator, voice synthesizer, DTMF decoder, sampler and 
expansion capabilities on a modem and the FBI would not like to thank you but 
that’s for another list)  The point is, that was solid thinking I coul get 
behind.  The battle between the Steves for the number of expansion slots, the 
great built in language (Apple Soft), and on and on and on.  Woz was definitely 
more on the openness side and so am I so I can see your hope that he would rise 
again although I’m not betting on it.
I had the privilege of meeting him a few times once at a very small Scotch and 
Cigar function with maybe 25 people.  Very grounded, friendly, unassuming guy, 
totally a geeky engineer which I totally dig.  Funny how opposite the two 
Steves were.

I hope what you say comes to pass in that at least something will persist on 
the notebook side.

I’m a little surprised of the downfall of the mac only because of how many are 
out there now.  Up here anyway, every Starbucks is full of people on Macs, huge 
employers are all Mac now including Fidelity and Thomson International, and 
since about 2013 or so all the gigs I’ve worked on were Mac shops not by choice 
but by luck.  With such a hold on laptops especially I’d think they would like 
to keep that but I fear your right.  The cool enhanced Unix environment is 
slowly being squeezed.  I wonder if there will be a day where terminal isn’t 
included with the Mac.  I believe that would be the day I go elsewhere.




On 6/15/16, 6:00 AM, "Sabahattin Gucukoglu" <[email protected] on 
behalf of [email protected]> wrote:

Rant ahead; get your sick bags handy. :)

Honestly, I’d be fine with trying out a giant iPad for my daily work, if Apple 
were honest in acknowledging their estrangement from the Mac as a proper 
workstation OS with proper character and robustness, and were instead committed 
 to fully transitioning to iOS for everything, because a workstation OS is 
something I believe a certain class of computer users (including me and 
probably you, Scott, as well) really need.  A commenter on OSXDaily ( obsolete 
name as of now :) ) by the name of Steve Steele ( awesome name :) ) sums it up 
very well:

I hate that Apple has taken OS X from being a super cool and modern UNIX 
workstation that started life powering Job’s NeXT Cubes, and turned it into a 
candy colored silly sidekick to iOS.

For a few glorious years we had Steve Jobs wanting revenge on the tech world, 
and OS X was his centerpiece.

Now we have Tim Cook’s macOS.

I say off with his head and the rest of the focus groups inside of Apple that 
have neutered our once lean and mean workstation OS. I seriously now hope there 
is a coup happening inside of Apple.

Woz, where are you?

Stay strong osxdaily.
Yeah.  This.  A thousand times this.

I started seriously with OS X—sorry, macOS—in Leopard, on my own
MacBook, in 2008 when Vista was the final straw for me and the
iPhone was booming.  Others here will have used Tiger and maybe
even the classic Macintosh.  Things have changed a very great deal
since Jobs fell in love with his newest iCreations and Apple became
a consumer electronics company.  The neglect of the Mac has gone
from being a minor but understandable irritant to a full-scale
domestic assault.  Lion was the start of it, you’re right.  I
should have seen that.  But it did offer exciting new features, and
at least one of them, Resume, is noticeably absent on Snow Leopard
and Windows.  I won’t rehash my views about the systemic
degradation of OS X since Snow since I’ve flogged it to death on
here before ( and you know how it is with people who think Apple is
perfect no matter what they do :) ), but suffice it to say that I
(and, it would appear, many others) thought I was getting something
better at the time Lion came out: an operating system that combined
the robustness of the Mac with some of that rare, task-oriented
simplicity and beauty of iOS.  But instead of a pair of operating
systems each suited ideally to its tasks, with its own personality
and paradigm, and perhaps with the ambition to benefit from the
others’ virtues, or an inevitable transition to a lean, mean,
mobile platform that’s open enough to be used as a proper computer
all by itself, we get a locked-down toy OS that struggles to be
taken seriously as a proper computer OS, despite the fact that it’s
competition is succeeding it in Business (Microsoft Surface), and
an increasingly useless and trivialised desktop OS with nothing to
recommend it over the laughingstock that was its former
competition, and whose usefulness is severely being compromised by
its need to lock you in to Apple’s services, the lack of
upgradability of hardware, and the need for Apple’s other ecosystem
devices.  Oh my, how things have changed …

Still I hold out hope that the transition will eventually be completed.  The 
Mac will die (sorry fanboys, but it’s true) and iOS, while it will be inferior 
because of its close ties to Apple, will be one platform for doing your 
computing.  Maybe that’s a version of reality I could cope with.  Apple would 
cater to the demands of the market, either destroying the Mac’s advantages 
(say, by hosting services for you) or improving the hardware.  The form factor 
that the Mac represents, especially the keyboard-and-mouse interface, or maybe 
even the keyboard-and-touchscreen, will be catered for, as will the necessary 
peripherals.

Please dispose of your sick bags in the receptacles provided. :)

I’m using VMWare Fusion to run the Mac VM.  It’s imperfect (sound a bit 
stuttery), but it works well enough.

You can learn more about “Apple File System” (APFS) here:
https://developer.apple.com/wwdc/schedule/#/details/701

Per-object and metadata encryption, sparse files, de-duplication on
copy, low-overhead crash safety, snapshots, atomic directory
renames … good show. And yes, a very big improvement over HFS+,
indeed. :)

Just now, using APFS (on disk images and external devices) is a dangerous and 
advanced business, fit only for people who have good backups and command-line 
foo.  If you follow that link, you’ll find documentation.  If you Google it, 
you’ll find lots of geeky insights, which will really work for you if you like 
that kind of depth of understanding.  Testing is limited to data files; Time 
Machine isn’t supported yet, you can’t export to AFP (HFS legacy, that) and you 
can’t actually boot the system from an APFS volume group.  But Apple says that 
stuff is coming.

Object recognition in photos, like grouping pictures based on related objects, 
and identifying particular objects.  I’d be interested to see how this 
manifests itself in VoiceOver: whether, for instance, we will hear descriptions 
of positively-identified objects.

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