Mike,
Here's an example of why interacting is a genius idea from Apple.
I use Wikipedia multiple times per day. Have you noticed that most
Wikipedia articles have a table near the top of the page which gives
information about whatever the article will be? For example, if you type
in Arizona Diamondbacks, it may give information such as founding date,
home stadium, uniform colors, manager, GM etc. But, I couldn't give a
rip about the founding date, who the GM is or any of that right now. I
just wanna find out when they last won the NL West. In Windows, I have
not found a way with any screen reader to bypass the table. Yes, you
could use that keystroke which bypasses links, but that doesn't preclude
a lot in those tables. You could navigate by headings, but you'll have
to hit CTRL+up arrow until you get to the information in the blurb which
most articles put before the table of contents. In OSX, be I in Safari,
Chrome, Lightning or whatever, if I have it set the way I do, Voiceover
will just say "table", but it shan't enter thereinto. If I just VO right
arrow, I'm past that table, and I'm down into the article's contents
themselves. I've found that the web is where interacting really shines.
Ben
On 6/27/2016 13:30, Arnold Schmidt wrote:
Thanks for all the response I have gotten to my question. So everyone
will know, at this point, it is much less likely that I will take it
back than that I will. And I am very willing to admit that I don't
really know what I am doing yet, that was very much expected by me.
I have seen several people write to say that I can change something so
I don't have to do all that interacting. First, why do you suppose
Apple set it up this way in the first place? Is there something about
having to interact with things that, when I get use to it, I will find
it to be much better this way? If not, tell me how to fix it so that,
at least temporarily, I don't have to do it.
Yes, I do have a track pad. I am glad to have it, it is somewhat
similar to my iPhone, and when I get everything together, it will be
the closest I will have become to being able to use a mouse,as well as
keyboard commands. When I am use to everything, I expect I will use
both keyboard and track pad, getting the best of both worlds.
Arnold Schmidt
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Arrigo" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: Why Is The Mac Better Than Windows?
Here are my reasons whyI think the mac is better and why I left the
Windows world, at least for home use. First, an excellent screen
reader is built in to the operating system. I think you said you were
using a mac mini, you can use the track pad if you have one, I use
the numpad commander on my mac mini, it makes navigating easier. You
can change a voiceover setting so you don't have to interact with
most things if it's too confusing for you. You can reinstall your
operating system, even with a new hard drive without requiring
sighted help. I think the mac provides the best experience when
browsing the internet. This is not an accessibility feature, but the
mac operating system is much cleaner than windows. The applications
are self contained, you don't have a central registry controlling
everything, or shared files that need to be installed all over the
place. Finally, Apple has maintained the same interface over several
versions of the operating system, they don't feel a need to change it
with each version the way Microsoft changes Windows. If it ain't
broke, don't fix it.
Original message:
Please forgive the long message to follow. Just delete it if you
don't want to read it.
I have been messing around with my new Mac Mini over the weekend. I
have the two books, Everything You Need To Know To Use The Mac With
El Capitan And Voice Over, by Janet Ingber, and Mastering The
Macintosh With Voice Over, by Tim Sniffen.I thoroughly expected not
to know what I am doing for a while, at the moment, that is an
understatement. I have it set up, thanks to Mr. Sniffen's book, Ms.
Ingber seems to assume one will have sighted help to do that. I have
been with windows since 2000, and Jaws 3.5. I still have Jaws,
having bought, last December, the SMA through version 19. I have to
figure out, by July 5, whether I want to take the Mac back to the
Apple store to get my money back. So far, it seems like a bunch of
incredible tedium to get things done, as compared to Windows. The
track pad helps, it makes it a little more like my iPhone 6, that I
love. Getting things done on the iPhone never seemed to have nearly
the tedium as does the Mac,even when my iPhone 5 was new to me. For
example, having to interact with things, rather than just hitting
enter when I want to do something, or press two or three keys at the
same time to get VoiceOver to do something, I have no doubt that I
can learn it, but My nagging question during my 14 days is going to
be: why? What is so much better about this than Windows? Is the Mac
really better, or just different? Is, for example, iTunes really
easier to use? What little I have investigated, I am not yet
convinced that it is. Already having Jaws, I don't have the issue of
having to buy a windows screen reader, and NVDA is making it
unnecessary even for a new Windows user to do so. I paid over 50
percent more for this Mac Mini than I could have bought a Windows 10
computer. I wish I had 30 days, rather than 14, to figure this out.
The time is ticking. What is so much better about this than Windows,
which I already know how to use?
Arnold Schmidt --
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