Interaction is also useful when dealing with tool bars. Personally, I
always hide the toolbars if I can, less clutter on the screen but
that's a personal preference. If you're interested in the toolbar you
can interact with it, otherwise you can just skip it. Another place
where interacting is handy is in the mail application. I usually
interact with the table and move to the subject column, then just arrow
down and hear the subject of each message without everything else.
Original message:
Hi Arnold,
The purpose of interacting is to speed up navigation. VoiceOver groups
elements together so that you only need to deal with that element if
you want to. for example, when navigating, VO will come upon a table,
and tell you that it's there. If you don't interact with it, then
you've skipped all the items within that table, thus making you
navigate around screens and web-pages quite quickly. Often, I'll
interact with a table, determine the contents, stop interacting and
move on. I find it very helpful in navigation. I will say though,
that I've been using Macs since 1988 and VO since it was released with
10.4 Tiger, so, I'm very comfortable with the entire experience.
Regarding the interaction setting, go into the VO Utility (VO-f8) and
check out both the Navigation and Web panes. Some of the settings
there may assist you.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Jun 27, 2016, at 14:30, Arnold Schmidt <[email protected]> wrote:
Thanks for all the response I have gotten to my question. So everyone
will know, at this point, it is much less likely that I will take it
back than that I will. And I am very willing to admit that I don't
really know what I am doing yet, that was very much expected by me.
I have seen several people write to say that I can change something so
I don't have to do all that interacting. First, why do you suppose
Apple set it up this way in the first place? Is there something about
having to interact with things that, when I get use to it, I will find
it to be much better this way? If not, tell me how to fix it so that,
at least temporarily, I don't have to do it.
Yes, I do have a track pad. I am glad to have it, it is somewhat
similar to my iPhone, and when I get everything together, it will be
the closest I will have become to being able to use a mouse,as well as
keyboard commands. When I am use to everything, I expect I will use
both keyboard and track pad, getting the best of both worlds.
Arnold Schmidt
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Arrigo" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: Why Is The Mac Better Than Windows?
Here are my reasons whyI think the mac is better and why I left the
Windows world, at least for home use. First, an excellent screen reader
is built in to the operating system. I think you said you were using a
mac mini, you can use the track pad if you have one, I use the numpad
commander on my mac mini, it makes navigating easier. You can change a
voiceover setting so you don't have to interact with most things if
it's too confusing for you. You can reinstall your operating system,
even with a new hard drive without requiring sighted help. I think the
mac provides the best experience when browsing the internet. This is
not an accessibility feature, but the mac operating system is much
cleaner than windows. The applications are self contained, you don't
have a central registry controlling everything, or shared files that
need to be installed all over the place. Finally, Apple has maintained
the same interface over several versions of the operating system, they
don't feel a need to change it with each version the way Microsoft
changes Windows. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Original message:
Please forgive the long message to follow. Just delete it if you don't
want to read it.
I have been messing around with my new Mac Mini over the weekend. I
have the two books, Everything You Need To Know To Use The Mac With El
Capitan And Voice Over, by Janet Ingber, and Mastering The Macintosh
With Voice Over, by Tim Sniffen.I thoroughly expected not to know what
I am doing for a while, at the moment, that is an understatement. I
have it set up, thanks to Mr. Sniffen's book, Ms. Ingber seems to
assume one will have sighted help to do that. I have been with windows
since 2000, and Jaws 3.5. I still have Jaws, having bought, last
December, the SMA through version 19. I have to figure out, by July 5,
whether I want to take the Mac back to the Apple store to get my money
back. So far, it seems like a bunch of incredible tedium to get things
done, as compared to Windows. The track pad helps, it makes it a little
more like my iPhone 6, that I love. Getting things done on the iPhone
never seemed to have nearly the tedium as does the Mac,even when my
iPhone 5 was new to me. For example, having to interact with things,
rather than just hitting enter when I want to do something, or press
two or three keys at the same time to get VoiceOver to do something, I
have no doubt that I can learn it, but My nagging question during my 14
days is going to be: why? What is so much better about this than
Windows? Is the Mac really better, or just different? Is, for example,
iTunes really easier to use? What little I have investigated, I am not
yet convinced that it is. Already having Jaws, I don't have the issue
of having to buy a windows screen reader, and NVDA is making it
unnecessary even for a new Windows user to do so. I paid over 50
percent more for this Mac Mini than I could have bought a Windows 10
computer. I wish I had 30 days, rather than 14, to figure this out. The
time is ticking. What is so much better about this than Windows, which
I already know how to use?
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