Hello All. I have read this thread very carefully and would like to suggest that we all wait for the facts rather than base our comments on rumours.
I go on the facts rather than rumours as I said this to someone in a different situation but I based my comments on what people had said rather than seeing the problem for myself first. If however things don’t go according to plan, meaning that the Deafblind community will be affected by the next model of I phone, rather than jumping down Apple’s throat, one should be measured and calm and have a calm discussion with Apple as one can achieve much if one is calm about things. Knowing Apple, they will have thought everything through after all, they would not want to disadvantage a section of the community as they would get bad press if let’s say the DeafBlind community could not use their new devices. Apple are in some hot water about their tax problems in Europe and I don’t think they’d want to be in hot water about something else. I know I sound like a Apple fan but from experience, sensible dialogue is the best way forward. Just my take on the whole thing. Thank you. Kawal. > On 1 Sep 2016, at 20:51, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote: > > Jonathan, > Perhaps you have talked to others who use hearing devices. Here is my take. > I use them too but why am I not in the least bothered by this? If anything, I > do not have plans to buy an iPhone 7 and in fact may get the 6s to replace my > 5 which is over 3 years old. > > Sometimes we get so caught in non issues that we lose focus of the larger > picture. How in the world did we survive before the iPhone let alone > computers?! (smiles) > > From E.T.'s Keyboard... > Are We Alone in the Universe? > ancient.ali...@icloud.com > > On 9/1/2016 12:07 PM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: >> Hi Mary, unfortunately this issue doesn't affect the Deaf community in >> the same way as it affects blind people who wear hearing aids and >> require decent latency. And the fact that those of us who are affected >> are such a minority makes us more vulnerable. You can be sure I am >> considering my legal options under legislation here. >> A standard hearing aid wearer uses their phone actively far less than a >> blind person who wears a hearing aid. For example, if a Bluetooth >> solution is being used, after a standard hearing aid wearer has finished >> their call or isn't listening to music, the technology goes into standby >> and uses very little energy. A blind person has VO talking a lot of the >> time if they're using their device for tasks like reading and creating >> documents, email etc, so the impact is much greater. >> Even if people are willing to accept an adapter jutting out of their >> phone with its resultant potential to be lost or bent, the adapter will >> not solve the problem entirely if it means that you can't charge your >> device and use headphones at the same time. I travel long distances for >> example, often with flights over 12 hours long. I regularly take my Anka >> battery with me and charge the phone while I use it to compensate for >> the inaccessible in-flight entertainment system. It's important to me to >> have a full charge when I reach my destination. Based on the information >> we have, it looks like you can either listen to wired headphones or >> charge, not both. >> That means that every VoiceOver user who chooses a wired option appears >> to have to choose between privacy and charge. >> Jonathan Mosen >> Mosen Consulting >> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >> http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org> >> >>> On 2/09/2016, at 4:41 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Well, just to be clear, I personally would be against this move, if it >>> means that they' very large hard of hearing community can't use >>> hearing aids on iPhones anymore. That seems like such an incredibly >>> stupid move on Apple's part, that I am tempted to just believe that >>> they wouldn't do it if they didn't have a workaround that would work >>> for people who use hearing aids. The hard of hearing community is >>> orders of magnitude larger then the blind community. So Shirley, this >>> adapter must be providing someway for people who use hearing aids to >>> keep on doing so. What am I missing here? I remember sometime ago, >>> when the idea that the headphone jack would go away first came out, >>> Jonathan wrote a very impassioned piece on this subject, arguing that >>> this was a very bad idea because of the use case of hearing aids. Now >>> Apple is going to do it anyway, but they're offering an adapter. Why >>> doesn't that solve the problem? I understand why Bluetooth is not a >>> good alternative, given Jonathan's comments on battery drain and the >>> well-known problem for voiceover users with latency. It's still really >>> bad, at least on my phone with my legend. I would not want to have to >>> type on that system for anything more than a word or two, because the >>> latency between when you touch a letter and when you hear it is much >>> too long. >>> Mary >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Sep 1, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net >>>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Mary, you’re exactly right and points well stated as always. Here’s >>>> another point to consider, suppose we add wireless charging. Now, you >>>> could have a brick with no ports what so ever formed from one solid >>>> piece of material. You could almost grow the casing and have a super >>>> durable waterproof phone with no openings at all. The entire surface >>>> could be a screen. Not needing ports is a good thing over all. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 3:33 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com >>>>> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Mark, >>>>> Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong about the >>>>> disappearing headphone jack. For one thing, Samsung put back the >>>>> storage card thing, but did not put back the user replaceable >>>>> battery. Also, if the other rumor is true, Apple will be including >>>>> compatible earbuds with the new phone, as well as an adapter to make >>>>> it possible for people to use other headphones. Given the prevalence >>>>> of Bluetooth these days, I suspect that the headphone jack will in >>>>> fact be gone from iPhones forever. Other device makers are already >>>>> moving in this direction. So it isn't just Apple. In fact, they will >>>>> not be the first ones to market without a headphone jack on the phone. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 11:05 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu >>>>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Well, as for me, I'm going to sit back and see how the market >>>>>> accepts the new iPhone 7 trans a separate earphone jack. >>>>>> >>>>>> When Samsung attempted to make its devices thinner by (1) removing >>>>>> the removable battery and (2) removing the ability to add auxiliary >>>>>> memory to its flagship phones, it soon reversed its decision as the >>>>>> market, effectively, rejected the devices in favor of other >>>>>> companies who kept those features. >>>>>> >>>>>> A couple of years ago, when Apple decided to remove the ability for >>>>>> iOS devices to have their photo content immediately available to PC >>>>>> users upon attaching the device to the computer, the marketplace >>>>>> went crazy and vowed to turn to Android if Apple insisted on >>>>>> forcing people to use iTunes in order to manage photos. >>>>>> >>>>>> Like Samsung, Apple immediately reversed itself by restoring this >>>>>> feature in the subsequent release of iTunes. >>>>>> >>>>>> So, I'll just wait and see for, unless 7 is a complete hit, >>>>>> something tells me that iPhone 8 will bring the jack back (smile). >>>>>> >>>>>> Mark >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Gallik >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:43 AM >>>>>> To: MacVisionaries E-Mail List >>>>>> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue >>>>>> on the iPhone seven >>>>>> >>>>>> When all the “hubbub” concerning Apple removing the earphone jack >>>>>> first appeared I was certain they (Apple) was going to provide an >>>>>> adapter so potential customers would be able to use their existing >>>>>> earphones with the iPhone 7. 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