thanks, Ann. Good job I know a bunch of mac commands, then!
Cait > On Sep 13, 2016, at 1:39 AM, Anne Robertson <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello Cait, > > All the VoiceOver commands can be found by doing VO-h-h but very few people > take the time to go through them. > Most people can get by with a basic set of navigation commands, but if you’re > doing complex word processing, you need much more information and > sophisticated navigation. > There are also situations where you have to use standard Mac commands as > VoiceOver doesn’t work in that particular situation. For instance, to get a > contextual menu on a template in Pages, you have to bring the mouse and do > CTRL-Click and then you can rename or delete the template. VO-Shift-m does > nothing. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > >> On 12 Sep 2016, at 19:20, Caitlyn Furness <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> ann, >> How would a person go about finding about these voice over commands which >> aren’t apparent?? >> >> Cait >> >>> On Sep 12, 2016, at 2:54 AM, Anne Robertson <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> Hello Simon, >>> >>> We’re not writing a book on Numbers at the moment. We keep thinking about >>> it, but it takes so much time which is in short supply right now. People >>> don’t realise how much work goes into writing a book about a complex >>> application. There are so many VO commands that most users know nothing >>> about, so they have to be explained. Then there is the problem of >>> communicating visual concepts verbally. I have the advantage of having been >>> fully sighted when a small child, but I’ve been totally blind for over 50 >>> years and the visual world has changed out of all recognition in that time. >>> While writing the Pages book, my poor husband must have spent hours >>> explaining visual concepts to me so that I could put them into terms that a >>> blind person could understand. >>> >>> There are parts of the Pages book that are helpful in Numbers, such as >>> tables and charts. It took me quite a while to understand how charts work >>> but I can now see how showing data as coloured bars of varying length can >>> have an immediate visual impact. >>> >>> All this to say that a book on Numbers is not for the immediate future. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Anne >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 12 Sep 2016, at 01:43, Simon Fogarty <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Anne, >>>> >>>> The question needs to be asked, >>>> >>>> Are you by any chance writing one to go with the pages book? >>>> >>>> Simon F >>>> >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> [mailto:[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson >>>> Sent: Sunday, 11 September 2016 11:49 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: Books on Numbers from a blind perspective? >>>> >>>> Hello Doug, >>>> >>>> No, there are no books on Numbers with VO. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Anne >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 11 Sep 2016, at 12:42, Douglas Lawlor <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello all, >>>> >>>> I am wondering if any books have been written on using Numbers from a >>>> blind users perspective? 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