Hi Scott,

I think its hard to gage a president while still in office. Often, the things 
they do or don’t do aren’t noticeable for years after they’ve left the post.

In Obama’s case, I would hardly say he took over with every thing smelling like 
roses. lol. Like in the case of George W. Bush, 9-11 landed in his lap, and he 
didn’t have the hype of the dot come boom to dease him a long like Clinton did.

In short, I think Presidents are often judged way too harshly, or put on too 
high a pedestal, like Reagan in my opinion. lol.

In my opinion, the best or worse a president  can do is keep us in or out of 
war, depending on the situation. Every thing else, especially domestically? Has 
to do with which side of the isle is running congress at the time, and how 
obstructionist, or helpful they are in pushing through the presidents agenda.
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:53 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
> 
> Jimmy Carter absolutely sucked as a president.  He had one one of the highest 
> inflation periods, completely screwed up the middle east and is a much better 
> former president than president.  Only Obama is worse at this point.  He did 
> a lot of good (carter that is) though post presidency with things like 
> habitat for humanity.
> 
> Hillary is a criminal, liar and a gun grabbing fraud.  At least people will 
> work under trump and we’ll get out of this imbalanced trade situation.  I 
> like none of the major candidates to be clear I was hoping for Gary Johnson 
> but Hillary and her ilk are the same mindset as the jack asses in England who 
> wanted to subjugate the british people to the will of the Germans.  And we 
> won’t talk about the uranium that Hillary stole from America and gave to 
> Russia do to foundation donations and or the sale of political and government 
> positions through the same foundation.  No thank you.
> 
> We’re screwed either way, I think that’s the only way to look at it.  I would 
> just rather the clintons not get rich over the screw job any more.
> 
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:35 PM, Andy <meikle.ai...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey, of course he will go on another wild rant because he actually doesn't 
>> want the job!
>> 
>> That is what most of us over here believe.
>> 
>> So what are you left with?  Hilary?
>> 
>> 
>> As a blind Scottish guy I don't really know or understand much about 
>> American politics, but I really did like Jimmy Carter!  I Know I still like 
>> him if he's still doing all that voluntary work.
>> 
>> 
>> As for Donald:  Give up an empire to become the president of the USA.  Don't 
>> think so.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Very best wishes and kind regards
>> Andy Logue.
>> From Scotland with love.
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "E.T." <ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 5:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: Off topic but i hope you folks in New York and New Jersey are 
>> ok and keeping your heads down
>> 
>> 
>>>  Don't let Donald Trump hear about this for he will surely go on
>>> another wild rant.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 9/19/2016 9:11 AM, Andy wrote:
>>>> well done the Police department.
>>>> 
>>>> They have already got one guy.  I bet he is the only one.
>>>> 
>>>> Yet another terrible incident  hurting ordinary people, but it didn't
>>>> take long to grab him.
>>>> 
>>>> Well done again the NYC Police department.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Very best wishes and kind regards
>>>> Andy Logue.
>>>> From Scotland with love.
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Granados" <sc...@qualityip.net>
>>>> To: "MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 4:28 PM
>>>> Subject: Off topic but i hope you folks in New York and New Jersey are
>>>> ok and keeping your heads down
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Know we have a lot of people from that part of the world.  Sounds like
>>>>> a dicy situation there.  Hope you all stay safe and they catch
>>>>> everyone involved quickly, seems so at this point.  Good luck there
>>>>> and be careful.
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