Hello Simon:
Yes, I erezed  my mac hd, but when I was reinstalling the os, I signed
in, ut nothing changed for  a very long time, so I have to force shut
down my mac mini.
and I followed Tim's suggestion to start internet recovery,and the same issue.
so, what might be happened?
 what can I do now?



On 9/20/16, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> HI Ramy,
>
>  Just reading more of this email and I see you say the el capitan installer
> had downloaded.
>
> I'm just wondering if you are able to start the machine up in to a running
> state at all?
>
>  If so then the el capitan installer files are under your applications
> folder
> Command shift A to get in there.
>
> Running that or the APP file in side the dmg will start the process.
>
> If as Tim commented things might be correupted
> Then my question is do you have any content on the machine that you don't
> wish to lose?
>
> I prefer in these situations to wipe my HD and have the install run from
> scratch rather than an update of the OS over a possibly corrupted existing
> install.
>
> Hope this makes sense.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
> Sent: Tuesday, 20 September 2016 8:29 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini
>
> On 9/20/16, Ramy Moustafa <ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> HThanks so much for your advice, til now nothing. I force shut down,
>> by long press on the power, and starting again. with Command option r.
>> hope that I can get something in this time
>>
>>
>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> No problem.  I hope that you don't mind that I'm slow at responding
>>> sometimes.  Too many things going on.  Anyway, whether it's the cmd-r
>>> or the cmd-option-r, you only need to hold it down for about 3 or 4
>>> seconds.  As soon as the Startup Chime sounds, press the key
>>> combination.  Hold it down for the 3 to 4 seconds and release.  The
>>> wait is after the release.  If the cmd-r works, it's likely ready in
>>> about one minute if your Mini has an SSD and probably 2 to 3 minutes
>>> if your Mini has a spinning HD.  If using the cmd-option-r, which
>>> starts up from Apple's servers off in Internet-land, then the wait is
>>> usually much longer before VO is ready to talk.  Again, no need to
>>> hold down the key combination for more than the 3 to 4 seconds.
>>>
>>> Later...
>>>
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 15:41, Ramy Moustafa <ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> great, but must I  press command option r for how many minutes?
>>> sorry for all my messages, but really you are my only source
>>>
>>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> The cmd-r needs to be down as the Startup Chime is sounding.  It
>>>> will usually take a minute or two before VO is available.  It's
>>>> possible though that your system got corrupt in the last attempt.
>>>> In that case, use cmd-option-r instead.  This will start your Mac up
>>>> from the Internet.
>>>> It
>>>> may take longer for VO to come up in this situation.  So, give it
>>>> some extra time.
>>>>
>>>> Later...
>>>>
>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 15:03, Ramy Moustafa <ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I made a restart, with command+r, nothing at all, I'm trying to
>>>> press, command r, while opening, but nothing happened, no voice over
>>>> at all.
>>>> after the mac chimes, I press command r, then I release them.
>>>>
>>>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>> Yes, restart it please.
>>>>>
>>>>> Later...
>>>>>
>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 14:12, Ramy Moustafa
>>>>> <ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> it says that , no window, hitting command q, command W, doesn't
>>>>> change the matter, should I make a restart, and repeat what was
>>>>> happened?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's not normal behaviour.  Try pressing cmd-q to Quit the
>>>>>> installer.
>>>>>> See
>>>>>> what it says.  You may need to start over since there was such a
>>>>>> long time between the initial installation startup process and the
>>>>>> Apple ID entry.
>>>>>> Usually shouldn't matter, but you should also be seeing a progress
>>>>>> thing by now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Later...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 13:53, Ramy Moustafa
>>>>>> <ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok, will tell you what's going on, but til now, nothing changed.
>>>>>> no windows.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/19/16, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> I think it’s starting to install, wait a few minute and let us
>>>>>>> know if that changes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And we’re glad to help, this list might get chatty and rough here
>>>>>>> and there but we’re all glad to help out, happy you’re making
>>>>>>> progress.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 3:34 PM, Ramy Moustafa
>>>>>>>> <ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ok, finally, I did it, with your help,and I signed in with my
>>>>>>>> apple id.
>>>>>>>> Thanks allo for helping.
>>>>>>>> now, I  have  voice over saying that osx has no windows, and
>>>>>>>> even the
>>>>>>>> vo+f2f2 says that no windows in the widnow chooser menu.
>>>>>>>> This happened after I signed in.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9/19/16, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> The Apple wired keyboard has an FN key, lower left.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>>>>>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>>>>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 9/19/2016 12:11 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I'm using the full Apple wire keyboard, so, I think it doesn't
>>>>>>>>>> have the Fn key, this is not a lap top anyway.
>>>>>>>>>> so, does this keyboard contains  fn key?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hold down your FN key at the same time as the VO keys.
>>>>>>>>>>> Sometimes,
>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard settings are set to have the Function keys behave in
>>>>>>>>>>> a specific manner, the FN key is required along with this key
>>>>>>>>>>> combination.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Later...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>>>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:52, Ramy Moustafa
>>>>>>>>>>> <ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, I hit VO+f2f2, and I got only the ding from the Mac
>>>>>>>>>>> system, I didn't get any response.
>>>>>>>>>>> so, what is the issue?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It sounds like it's waiting for you to enter something.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Press
>>>>>>>>>>>> VO-f2-f2
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> bring up the Window Chooser and there's probably a dialog
>>>>>>>>>>>> waiting for your password.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Later...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>>>>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 11:41, Ramy Moustafa
>>>>>>>>>>>> <ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi sir Scotte:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3 hours now, and I got the message: signing to mac appstore,
>>>>>>>>>>>> progress bar busy.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I erezed my Mac hd, and I hit reinstall mac osx, I hit
>>>>>>>>>>>> agree, and this is the message that I got for 3 hours.
>>>>>>>>>>>> so what shall I do?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm connected to the internet.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/19/16, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you named your volume, erase it, exit the utility and run
>>>>>>>>>>>>> reinstall.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Should be good to go.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old
>>>>>>>>>>>>> one if the disk isn’t cleared first, this may have changed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> more recently but the above is the steps I take to be sure
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the disk is clean.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you Scott.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reinstalling OS or the disk utility? I need to get rid of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all my data on my Mac it's D if I choose reinstall when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's remove my data? I need to make clean in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store.thank you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ramy moustafa saber
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> licturer at:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faculty of musical education music arranger and sound
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engineer Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sc...@qualityip.net <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you boot in recover mode it will either download what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it needs or install from the recover partition.  Part of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your hard disk is partitioned and has the operating
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system on it for installation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything you need should be already inlace or automatic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> YOu’ll
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your Apple ID, log in and follow the prompts.  Pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> straight forward.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good luck and do let us know if you have any further
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Ramy Moustafa
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Sir Scott
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks so much but  will it install online or what must
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I download his assistant before installing or it will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download it automatically?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you so much.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ramy moustafa saber
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> licturer at:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faculty of musical education music arranger and sound
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engineer Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Scott Granados
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sc...@qualityip.net <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi there, this is one of the high points of the Mac,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voice over is available during the entire install
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process.  You can activate voice over during install
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and get spoken directions the whole way.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Remember
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once in a while a new phase may start with out voice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but pressing command F5 again will reactivate with out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issue.  (this does not always
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happen)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To reinstall boot holding command R to enter recovery
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mode.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Ramy Moustafa
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello all  people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I decided to install a fresh new and Capi 10 but but I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to know if there are any procedures that I must
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> follow before doing this and will VoiceOver help me in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> achieving this? Thanks in advance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ramy moustafa saber
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Musicc instructor at:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faculty of musical education music arranger and sound
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engineer Sent from my iPhone
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>>>>>>>>>>> Music instructor @:
>>>>>>>>>>> Faculty ofmusical education
>>>>>>>>>>> Music arranger and Sound engineer @:
>>>>>>>>>>> Harmony Recording Studio
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/HarmonyRecordingStudio.eg
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Ramy MoustafaSaber
>>>>>>>> Music instructor @:
>>>>>>>> Faculty ofmusical education
>>>>>>>> Music arranger and Sound engineer @:
>>>>>>>> Harmony Recording Studio
>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/HarmonyRecordingStudio.eg
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>>>>>>> Quinn
>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>> you
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Ramy MoustafaSaber
>>>>>> Music instructor @:
>>>>>> Faculty ofmusical education
>>>>>> Music arranger and Sound engineer @:
>>>>>> Harmony Recording Studio
>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/HarmonyRecordingStudio.eg
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>> mark
>>>>>> at:
>>>>>> macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara
>>>>>> macvisionaries+Quinn
>>>>>> -
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach
>>>>>> mark
>>>>>> at:
>>>>>> macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara
>>>>>> macvisionaries+Quinn
>>>>>> -
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com
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>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Ramy MoustafaSaber
>>>>> Music instructor @:
>>>>> Faculty ofmusical education
>>>>> Music arranger and Sound engineer @:
>>>>> Harmony Recording Studio
>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/HarmonyRecordingStudio.eg
>>>>>
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>>>>> contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on
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>>>>> mark
>>>>> at:
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>>>>> macvisionaries+Quinn
>>>>> -
>>>>> you
>>>>> can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com
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>>>>> mark
>>>>> at:
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>>>>> you
>>>>> can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Ramy MoustafaSaber
>>>> Music instructor @:
>>>> Faculty ofmusical education
>>>> Music arranger and Sound engineer @:
>>>> Harmony Recording Studio
>>>> https://www.facebook.com/HarmonyRecordingStudio.eg
>>>>
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>>>> at:
>>>> macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara Quinn
>>>> -
>>>> you
>>>> can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>>>>
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>>>> at:
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>>>> -
>>>> you
>>>> can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ramy MoustafaSaber
>>> Music instructor @:
>>> Faculty ofmusical education
>>> Music arranger and Sound engineer @:
>>> Harmony Recording Studio
>>> https://www.facebook.com/HarmonyRecordingStudio.eg
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>>
>> --
>> Ramy MoustafaSaber
>> Music instructor @:
>> Faculty ofmusical education
>> Music arranger and Sound engineer @:
>> Harmony Recording Studio
>> https://www.facebook.com/HarmonyRecordingStudio.eg
>>
>
>
> --
> Ramy MoustafaSaber
> Music instructor @:
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> Music arranger and Sound engineer @:
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Music arranger and Sound engineer @:
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https://www.facebook.com/HarmonyRecordingStudio.eg

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