With all due respect David, you are a good example of those who do not read what is written. My 2009 machine is the Mac Mini in question. So, that equals 7 years old.
My five-year-old machine is a custom built Windows device. So, it was acquired in 2012. I do use both operating systems. Therefore, despite the advice from another contributor I have every right to be part of this community. My posts are not intended to be taken as a personal attack on any member of the list. There are those, however, who seem to take any negativity directed towards Apple and its products as an attack on them personally. Ah well, still good to be alive despite all that. Have a good day from a very sunny UK. -----Original Message----- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 9:53 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: It's not good to believe everything you hear 2009 machine in 2016 is a 7 year old machine, not a 5 year old machine. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone > On 30/09/2016, at 02:39, Martin Brown <mbrown.bro...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I quite honestly think that some people don't read their emails before > responding. Nowhere in my email did I say that Apple was forcing me to > upgrade to Sierra. The point is that I can't do so even if I > desperately wanted to without buying a new machine. Indeed, I don't > agree with something being forced upon anyone. I feel the reference > here is towards Microsoft and Windows 10. Believe me I am no fan of such an > approach. > > However, here is an interesting point. I am running a 5-year-old > desktop custom built machine. It has 8GB of RAM and a 1TB hard drive. > Despite the speck remaining the same in every sense, including the > CPU, Windows 10 is much faster than Windows 7 ever was on this machine. > > So, please feel free to lambast Microsoft. Times they deserve it, > times they don't. I do not feel protective towards any provider of > either goods or services. It is simply a financial transaction between them > and myself. > Long gone is the day when providers cared anything about their > customers, and as far as I am concerned, the feeling is mutual. > > Despite that however, I strongly feel that people should pay for the > goods and services they receive. This is equally true when the goods > are licenced software. There are those who feel it is fine to share > such products with friends and family members in breach of very clear > guidelines to the contrary, but the less said about that the better. > Thank goodness none of my friends subscribe to this list. > > Another responder points out that my Mini is, and will probably > continue to function using El Capitan for a long time. I have no doubt > of that and I have said as much myself. Macs are built too last. It > defeats the purpose however if the hardware cannot be upgraded to > match the needs of the software, at least to some degree, without buying a > new machine. > > Here is something in my appalling ignorance that escapes me. I have a > friend who bought a Mini at the same time as myself. An off the shelf > Mac Mini in late 2009 had a speck of 1GB of RAM and a 128GB hard > drive. He decided to double the Ram to 2GB and stay with the same size > hard drive. I, on the other hand, decided on 4GB of RAM and a 500GB > hard drive. As you can imagine the price difference was significant. > Now, here is the point. He is also running El Capitan with absolutely > no performance difference to my own machine. Like myself, he cannot > upgrade to Sierra, but as we have both light-heartedly laughed, he has > only been half as well screwed as I myself have. > > So, do chill out friends. The sun still shines and the world continues > to revolve. An almost pathological adherence to any one supplier over > another cannot be a good thing. Apple produce a great product with > great built-in accessibility. The weakness in their model from a > consumer's perspective is that they provide both the hardware and the > software. Although this has many benefits, it is not an ideal > situation in one crucial area. Namely, it is not financially to their > advantage to support hardware beyond a short time frame. Microsoft > will be just as bad in this respect now that they have also got into > the hardware game. Because of that, under no circumstances, will I > purchase any of their hardware. They will use the same old flannel to > encourage their customers to buy the latest offering so that their > well-heeled shareholders can buy a bigger and better yacht than their > equally well-heeled neighbours. I have a rule that I always follow > when assimilating any information coming from a source that has a financial > interest in that information. Don't believe everything they tell you. > Indeed, only believe a small fraction of what they tell you, and you > can't go wrong. > Kind Regards: > Martin > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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