A way of saying, get rid of your computer. Why on earth should one get rid of a computer if it's going strong, no need to not let it update. No wonder we live in a throw-away society as manufacturers encourage land fills and alike for Governments to say that there is no place to build houses etc, because we need land to accommodate rubbish and so on. It's manufacturers faults that 1: we are getting unhealthier because of bad food that is produced. 2: there is not enough space to accommodate the growing population because manufacturers are wishing for people to buy new computers and so we won't let your computer which is in perfect condition to update but we have decided that you need another regardless if you can afford it or not. Oh wow.
Kawal. > On 28 Oct 2016, at 20:32, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote: > > It won’t be, nothing changes you do things as you always have. At some > point, your computer just won’t receive any more updates. The operating > system will eventually not be compatible because it’s to new. Sort of the > standard way of things happening. > > >> On Oct 28, 2016, at 2:33 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote: >> >> So what will happen for those people who have I Mac and Mac Mini's who have >> not changed their computers for a number of years as there will be no touch >> bars etc. So how will that be accommodated? I have not listened to the >> event as yet. >> >> Kawal. >>> On 28 Oct 2016, at 19:06, christopher hallsworth <challswor...@icloud.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Well you know what? Found out through the VoiceOver Getting Started Guide >>> that as part of the new and changed key commands set for VoiceOver under >>> macOS Sierra, VO-- (hyphen) will decrease the system volume and vo-= >>> (equals) will increase the system volume. Actually, I will correct this by >>> saying vo-- (hyphen) is definitely new, but vo-= (equals) is actually a >>> changed one from whatever it was before. >>> >>> >>>> On 28 Oct 2016, at 17:21, - <dandun...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Apple will almost certainly be forced to add yet another keystroke for >>>> doing what now is the direct press of a function key, volume for example. >>>> >>>> This is because when you cram multiple levels of function into a touch bar >>>> there has to be a way to choose among levels. >>>> >>>> There are far far too many pretzel keypresses now without adding more. >>>> On Fri, 28 Oct 2016, gs wrote: >>>> >>>>> I care about access to the function keys in general and not just what >>>>> currently happens when one presses Command F5. I use the function keys >>>>> for adjusting screen brightness and volume, etc. I wonder how all the >>>>> other items currently available via the function keys will be handled? >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 28, 2016, at 6:37 AM, Brandt Steenkamp >>>>> <brandt.steenk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> There we go, >>>>> >>>>> Triple-tapping power sounds like the most consistent and logical way to >>>>> go. >>>>> >>>>> Holding command down and tapping the touch bar also sounds okay, but not >>>>> like something apple would do. >>>>> >>>>> Warm regards, >>>>> >>>>> Brandt Steenkamp >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my Macbook Pro >>>>> >>>>> Contact: >>>>> >>>>> Phone: >>>>> Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181 <tel://+27605259181> >>>>> For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013 <calto://+27781205013> >>>>> >>>>> Email: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com <mailto:brandt.steenk...@gmail.com> >>>>> >>>>> Twitter: @brandtsteenkamp <http://www.twitter.com/brandtsteenkamp> >>>>>> On 28 Oct 2016, at 11:21 AM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net >>>>>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> IF Apple is truly going for consistancy, I have a feeling I know how we >>>>>> will turn on Voice Over with the new touch bar. I don?t know this for >>>>>> sure: but, I?d be willing to guess that to turn on Voice Over, you >>>>>> simply touch or press the power button three times quickly if Voice Over >>>>>> is off. OF course, you might be able to do it with Siri, or, here?s >>>>>> another guess: press the command key and anywhere on the touch bar. IF >>>>>> voice Over is off, it will know that you are trying to turn on Voice >>>>>> Over. My best guess, however, would be to quickly touch the power >>>>>> button three times. Makes the most sense and keeps things logical and >>>>>> easy. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 28, 2016, at 2:01 AM, christopher hallsworth >>>>>>> <challswor...@icloud.com <mailto:challswor...@icloud.com>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.applevis.com/blog/apple-apple-tv-news/what-we-got-apples-october-2016-event#comment-form >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <http://www.applevis.com/blog/apple-apple-tv-news/what-we-got-apples-october-2016-event#comment-form> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What We Got from Apple's October 2016 Event >>>>>>>> Submitted by mehgcap on 27 October, 2016 - 16:28 and last modified on >>>>>>>> 27 October, 2016 - 19:18 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <editor.png> <http://www.applevis.com/applevis-editorial-team> >>>>>>>> Hello Again >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Today, Apple held a press event it called "Hello Again". The company >>>>>>>> announced a new accessibility website, a new Apple TV feature, and a >>>>>>>> long-awaited update to its MacBook computers. It may have missed the >>>>>>>> back-to-school shoppers, but today's announcements arrive just in time >>>>>>>> for the holiday shopping frenzy. There are some major changes to the >>>>>>>> MacBook line-up on the way, and while much of what you're about to >>>>>>>> read is awesome, you may not like all of it. But there's a great deal >>>>>>>> to like about the latest offerings from Apple, and I yell at articles >>>>>>>> to quit rambling in their intros and get on with it just as much as >>>>>>>> you do, so let's get on with it! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Accessibility Kick-Off >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To my surprise, Apple started the presentation with a video >>>>>>>> highlighting accessibility features of its products. This led to Tim >>>>>>>> Cook's announcing a "whole new website" focused on Apple's >>>>>>>> accessibility efforts. As of the time of this writing, we haven't had >>>>>>>> a chance to fully explore this new website >>>>>>>> <http://www.apple.com/accessibility>, but it's always great to see the >>>>>>>> spotlight shown on all the work Apple does to make their devices as >>>>>>>> usable, to as many people, as they can. It?s also great to see that >>>>>>>> the AppleVis Community is featured on Apple?s new Accessibility Portal >>>>>>>> as somewhere people should go to obtain more information and support. >>>>>>>> Thank you, Apple! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Get Entertained on Apple TV >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No, there's not a new Apple TV coming out, but there is a new way to >>>>>>>> find something to watch on the box you already have. It's a new app >>>>>>>> from Apple, called--appropriately enough--TV. Yep, just those two >>>>>>>> letters. Interestingly, Apple offers this app on not just Apple TV, >>>>>>>> but your iOS devices as well, letting you browse and play content on >>>>>>>> any of your devices. But what, exactly, does the app do? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> TV pulls together any shows or movies you're already watching on your >>>>>>>> video apps, as well as offering the next or newest episodes in TV >>>>>>>> series. This isn't just iTunes, either; it can work with ShowTime, >>>>>>>> CBS, HBO Now, and others, which makes it simple to keep up with any >>>>>>>> entertainment you're watching. The app also shows you your iTunes >>>>>>>> purchases or new video apps. It can even play content without you >>>>>>>> needing to know which app the content is in; tell Siri to play a >>>>>>>> particular show or game and that's all you need. But don't get too >>>>>>>> excited, because while the app is free, it won't be here until the end >>>>>>>> of the year. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Prose about the Pro >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The MacBook Pro was the star of the show today. It got a major >>>>>>>> makeover--the first since the 2013 model dropped the disk drive--and >>>>>>>> there's a lot of great stuff on and inside it. Yet, there's also a >>>>>>>> change you may not like. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Inevitable Updates >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> First, the fun part: the updates we all expected, and that Apple >>>>>>>> almost had to make. The Pro is now slightly lighter and thinner, while >>>>>>>> the battery life remains at ten hours; no surprise there. It's also >>>>>>>> adopted the USB-C ports we first saw in the Retina MacBook last year. >>>>>>>> The new Pro includes four of them, and any of them can be used to >>>>>>>> charge the machine, which is a great touch if your outlet is opposite >>>>>>>> the power jack of your Mac. The audio jack, fortunately, hasn't gone >>>>>>>> anywhere, so there's no need to worry about getting USB sound cards or >>>>>>>> mics plus a bunch of adaptors. Those four USB-C (also called >>>>>>>> Thunderbolt 3--same thing) are all the ports you get, though. No >>>>>>>> standard USB, no Mini Display, no card reader, and, sadly, no more >>>>>>>> MagSafe. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Speaking of audio, the speakers are louder and, Apple claims, sound >>>>>>>> better than ever. Oh, and the storage is twice as fast as before, >>>>>>>> while the ram has gotten faster, too. Overall, the new Pros are >>>>>>>> anywhere from half again to more than twice as fast as the models they >>>>>>>> replace, depending on the category (gaming, graphics, or storage) >>>>>>>> you're interested in. Between the faster storage and ram, the better >>>>>>>> CPUs, and the improved graphics cards, these machines are powerhouses >>>>>>>> that manage to be smaller than any Pro to date. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> One unexpected bit of news: the trackpad on the Pro is now twice as >>>>>>>> large as in previous models, and, of course, uses Taptic feedback to >>>>>>>> simulate a click. This lets you click it anywhere, not just on the >>>>>>>> bottom, and provides a much better experience with its larger surface >>>>>>>> area that can still click when pushed. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Not at all unexpected is the screen. It is 67% brighter, can show much >>>>>>>> better color, and draws even less power than the 2015 MacBook Pro >>>>>>>> screen. Yet it is as thin as that of the Retina MacBook, Apple's >>>>>>>> smallest computer ever. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Finally, in keeping with the storage trend it started with the iPhone >>>>>>>> 7, Apple is upping the base storage for all its Macs. 256GB is now the >>>>>>>> minimum for all MacBook models, which is where the Retina MacBooks >>>>>>>> have always been. The amount of ram across the line has not changed, >>>>>>>> to my knowledge. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> New Magic >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Aside from the new ports and altered dimensions, the major new feature >>>>>>>> on the Pro models is the removal of the entire top line of keys. >>>>>>>> Escape, F1 through F12, and Eject are all gone, replaced by what >>>>>>>> amounts to a touch screen. This "Touchbar", as Apple is calling it, is >>>>>>>> a multi-touch, retina-quality screen that runs in a strip along the >>>>>>>> top of the Mac's keyboard. The Bar offers context-sensitive controls >>>>>>>> and suggestions, plus emulates function keys when necessary. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Why do this? Apple's reasoning is rather compelling, when you think >>>>>>>> about it objectively. What is the top row of keys for most users? Keys >>>>>>>> used mostly for media or brightness control. When you aren't doing >>>>>>>> those things, those keys are wasted space. Instead of simply taking >>>>>>>> them out, Apple has decided to update them. Now, they can be your >>>>>>>> media controls in iTunes like normal, but they can also be the buttons >>>>>>>> or tools you need at any given moment, in any given application. In >>>>>>>> Mail, you have favorite mailboxes, message controls, and quick actions >>>>>>>> all available at the top of your keyboard. In Safari, you have tabs, >>>>>>>> favorite websites, and more. While typing, you have QuickType >>>>>>>> suggestions, just like in iOS. Best of all, you can customize the bar >>>>>>>> to show the controls you want, and touch one key to quickly bring up >>>>>>>> your standard function keys at any time. Plus, being a touch-sensitive >>>>>>>> display, you can perform gestures on the TouchBar. It wasn't clear >>>>>>>> what gestures are supported, but we know for sure that up to ten >>>>>>>> simultaneous touches will be recognized. That means dragging, >>>>>>>> pinching, swiping, and more, all with one or more fingers. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The TouchBar is Apple's first attempt to marry a touch-enabled display >>>>>>>> with the keyboard- and mouse-driven world of macOS. No, it won't be >>>>>>>> perfect right away, but it speaks of exciting things to come. Even in >>>>>>>> this first iteration, I have to admit I'm eager to try it out for >>>>>>>> myself. It's not the access to functions for which hotkeys already >>>>>>>> exist that I like, but rather the customization possibilities I can >>>>>>>> envision. Combined with gesture input, the TouchBar could >>>>>>>> significantly raise the bar on computer interfaces. I apologize for >>>>>>>> any mental injury caused by such a terrible pun. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Of course, this means that VoiceOver users lose the hardware keys we >>>>>>>> use all the time--escape, f1, f2, and f5 come to mind immediately as >>>>>>>> keys I use many times a day for various VO commands. The big question, >>>>>>>> then, is how to perform these commands if all the virtual keys on the >>>>>>>> TouchBar have configured themselves for the currently open >>>>>>>> application? I wish I had the answer, but all I can say is that we at >>>>>>>> AppleVis have reached out to Apple about this issue. Thus far, we >>>>>>>> haven't heard, but we will let you know when and if we get a response. >>>>>>>> Still, with the Apple TV, Apple Watch, boot sequence with File Vault >>>>>>>> enabled, and even complete macOS re-installs all offering VoiceOver >>>>>>>> support, I have no doubt that the new TouchBar won't be a problem. Who >>>>>>>> knows; there may even be a whole new commander to play with. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A Touchy Addition >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ever since the iPhone 5s in 2013, TouchID has been a staple of iOS >>>>>>>> devices. If you bought an iPhone or iPad, you knew you'd get the >>>>>>>> ability to unlock it, or authorize payments/purchases/apps, with your >>>>>>>> fingerprint. However, no Mac has ever had this hugely convenient >>>>>>>> ability. Apple partly addressed this shortcoming in macOS Sierra, >>>>>>>> allowing users to perform authentication on their Macs through iPhones >>>>>>>> or Apple Watches. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Now, though, the MacBook Pro can do it all; the power button is also a >>>>>>>> TouchID sensor. Logging into your Mac, entering your admin password, >>>>>>>> using Apple Pay, and other security-centric tasks just got a lot more >>>>>>>> convenient. Simply place a finger on the power button, and that's it. >>>>>>>> Just like on iOS devices, the Mac reads your print, authenticates you, >>>>>>>> and you're all set. If you share a Mac with someone else, you can even >>>>>>>> use TouchID to immediately switch to your own user account, simply by >>>>>>>> touching the reader. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Getting Butterflies Over the New Keyboard >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Now I have to give you the bad news. When the Retina MacBook came out, >>>>>>>> it included a keyboard that Apple naturally called "revolutionary". >>>>>>>> The keyboard took up less space, and gave a whole new feel to typing >>>>>>>> due to its "butterfly" switches. Apple may love the new design, but >>>>>>>> many reviewers found it odd and not as nice as the old keyboards. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> When I went down to a local outlet store and tried the keyboard >>>>>>>> myself, I had to agree; the key travel was less, and--more >>>>>>>> importantly--the space between the keys was almost non-existent. This >>>>>>>> made it very hard for me to feel where the keys were. I imagine this >>>>>>>> would have gotten better with time, so I'm not willing to condemn the >>>>>>>> keyboard based only on that first impression. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I say all that to say this: a new version of that new keyboard is now >>>>>>>> standard on all MacBooks. The good news is that Apple specifically >>>>>>>> mentioned key travel as an area of improvement in this new generation >>>>>>>> keyboard, so I'm happy to try out the latest model and be proven >>>>>>>> wrong. I do recommend getting over to an Apple Store or other shop >>>>>>>> where a demo MacBook is displayed so you can get your hands on the new >>>>>>>> keyboard before you make any purchase, if possible. However, the >>>>>>>> mention of an updated design gives me hope that Apple may have gotten >>>>>>>> it right this time. Only time and experience will tell. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The New Line-Up (Or: Bye-Bye to the MacBook Air ) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For years, the choice of Macs has been simple: an eleven- or >>>>>>>> thirteen-inch Air, or a thirteen- or fifteen-inch Pro. In 2015, Apple >>>>>>>> shook things up with the introduction of a twelve-inch MacBook with a >>>>>>>> retina display, dubbed the Retina MacBook or, confusingly, simply the >>>>>>>> MacBook. Despite its larger screen, this device was about the size of >>>>>>>> the eleven-inch Air, and rumors swirled that Apple would drop the >>>>>>>> smallest Air from the line- up. As the Retina version lacked more than >>>>>>>> one USB port and used a less powerful processor, though, there was >>>>>>>> still a valid use case for the Air. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Despite all that, the Air is no more. It has been replaced with the >>>>>>>> twelve-inch Retina model for those wanting the smallest computer, and >>>>>>>> a basic version of the 13-inch Pro for those wanting a little more. >>>>>>>> Again, though, both devices are about the same size, so you don't have >>>>>>>> to worry about getting a physically larger machine. In fact, the >>>>>>>> 13-inch Pro is twelve percent thinner and thirteen percent smaller in >>>>>>>> overall volume than the 13-inch Air. Note that, at least for the >>>>>>>> moment, the 13-inch Air remains available, while the 11-inch Air has >>>>>>>> been pulled. No one knows how long this will last, though, just as >>>>>>>> there's no telling for how much longer the 13-inch Pro from 2015 will >>>>>>>> continue to be sold. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Airs are all but gone, and in their place are the 12-inch MacBook >>>>>>>> we already know, and a 13-inch Pro to take the place of the 13-inch >>>>>>>> Air, While it so far has no official name, this Pro lacks the TouchBar >>>>>>>> and TouchID of its more expensive sibling, and includes two USB-C >>>>>>>> ports to the four that come on the "real" Pros. If you're looking for >>>>>>>> a new Mac, here are your options. All of these come with 256GB of >>>>>>>> storage and 8GB of ram, except the 15-inch Pro which has 16GB of ram: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 12-inch MacBook: one USB-C port, fanless design, smallest and least >>>>>>>> powerful MacBook available. $1,299, 2 pounds. >>>>>>>> 13-inch "basic" Pro: two USB-C ports, no TouchBar, no TouchID, 2GhZ >>>>>>>> dual core Core I5 processor. Identical to base model 13-inch Pro in >>>>>>>> all other ways. $1,499, 3 pounds. >>>>>>>> 13-inch Pro: four USB-C ports, 2.9GhZ dual core Core I5 processor, >>>>>>>> includes TouchBar. $1,799, 3 pounds. >>>>>>>> 15-inch Pro: four USB-C ports, 2.6GhZ quad core Core I7, includes >>>>>>>> TouchBar. Again, starts with 16GB of ram to the others' 8GB. $2,399, 4 >>>>>>>> pounds. >>>>>>>> Until Next Year >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That's it. Apple isn't expected to release anything new until sometime >>>>>>>> next year, so go forth and shop with confidence that you're getting >>>>>>>> the newest machines for months to come. Or, wait for deals on the >>>>>>>> "old" models, which are still extremely powerful and capable >>>>>>>> computers. Whatever you decide, today's announcements gave you a lot >>>>>>>> to choose from. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As of today (the day of the event), pre-orders are open for all >>>>>>>> models, though some won't ship for a few weeks while others will go >>>>>>>> out today. Please don't rely on this article for final prices, >>>>>>>> specifications, and upgrade options. Use Apple's website, or the Apple >>>>>>>> Store app, for that. I'm just giving you the basics, as given out at >>>>>>>> the presentation. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Let me know what you're thinking. Is the incredible reduction in size, >>>>>>>> and increase in power, enough to make you want a new Pro? Will you >>>>>>>> snatch up an Air while you can (no one knows if they're officially >>>>>>>> being discontinued)? Are you intrigued by the TouchBar, or do you want >>>>>>>> to stay far away from it? If I had the money, I'd get the 13-inch Pro >>>>>>>> with TouchBar in a heartbeat. The possibilities of a second >>>>>>>> touch/display surface are exciting, and I use peripherals rarely >>>>>>>> enough that going all USB-C wouldn't bother me. My only concern is the >>>>>>>> keyboard, but I have yet to see this new generation in person. 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