First off and most importantly, do tell Sabahattin hello and I hope he’s well,
it’s been a while. Like you, I too would listen to him, he’s a very smart and
technically skilled fellow. I have a great deal of respect for him and hope
he’s well.
Next, one of the good things about Apple is they have a higher than average
resale value. Even though I do well, I do sell off old equipment or donate it
to family or less fortunate. There’s another fellow on the Android list who I
know is on hard times for example and I’ve been sending him old network
equipment so he can keep things going and decrease his costs. So I get that.
All I mean to say is companies don’t support things over time because they just
can’t as the product as changed to much. As long as something is serving it’s
need though by all means go with it. Nobody would argue against working with
what you have available.
An iMac is a major investment. The iMac especially is at the top end
of the consumer price spectrum. You load one up with all the features and
you’re headed to 4000 dollars US or more before you know it. That’s a lot of
chaching.
I know you didn’t buy the watch because of the camera. I’ve held the
new one, I disagree it feels like a toy but I love the one I have and will be
upgrading just for the speed and will hand my present model down to my father
who loves technology but doesn’t have the funds to buy the gadgets he wants.
He loves showing them off to his friends though so I’m more than happy to keep
him in equipment. I remember how hard he worked so I had the things I needed
as a kid so it’s the absolute least i can do in return.
Your iMac will do fine until you need to upgrade it in the future when you have
a specific reason to. I am also sure you can sell it off or give it to someone
less fortunate who would benefit.
> On Oct 28, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
>
> Never believe what someone says about buying gadgets as although I might buy
> the latest I phone, I am definitely not buying the latest I watch. I
> cancelled my orders for the watch when Sabahattin told me that he did not
> think too much about the watch as he said that the watch reminded him of a
> toy and the watches were running a bit better but still slow. He's another
> person who I'd trust telling me what he really thinks about Apple products
> but at times he goes on about putting windows on his machines and going to
> Microsoft, but he will not do it. I remember because of seeing his first Mac
> Book which had that funny voice on it that whispered that I decided to get on
> to the Apple wagon.
>
> I think I told you the other day I'd wait for a watch with a Camera on it.
>
> I also know Scott if a brand new I Mac came out in a few years with something
> special on it, no doubt I'd get it but just now, my computers are running
> just fine with the latest Operating systems. If I am to buy the latest
> computers then I need to sell computers at a good and reasonable price.
>> On 28 Oct 2016, at 21:16, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Nobody says you have to, you’re missing the point. As long as it works for
>> you use it. Apple seems to run on 4 or 5 year cycles with both the phones
>> and to some degree the computers. The big cutoffs seem to be when they
>> change processor types either from RISK to Intel and so forth. Your 2012
>> iMac will do fine for a few more years. You only have to upgrade when you
>> want or are able to upgrade. Sierra should run just fine on that machine.
>> Apple doesn’t have to change it’s pricing model just because you don’t make
>> enough.:) They fill a market and if nobody buys their gear they will change
>> but that’s not the case. They sell millions of units so obviously have
>> something right. There’s nobody saying your computer needs replacing, use
>> it in good health as long as you like. Just at some point technology
>> dictates that it will be to old to update.
>>
>> And for someone crying poverty she’s always buying the new phone and had an
>> order in for the watch and went to the Apple store on release day. You’re
>> probably doing just fine, you’re highly intelligent, you can decide when it
>> makes sense to upgrade for you and your budget and until then what you have
>> will suit you well. Progress is just that, the new stuff replaces the old.
>> Hey I still have a 1960s Porsche that I restored so nothing says you have to
>> get the latest and greatest all the time, there’s value in the old as well
>> just don’t expect the features will be the same. My old Porsche doesn’t even
>> have air conditioning but it still drives well and in some circles is worth
>> more because it’s a classic. You’ll be fine. and hey I got to meet Carlos
>> Santana because we parked in front of his house in San Francisco in a 1971
>> VW Super Beatle that he liked so much he came out and tried to buy it from
>> me so nothing says you have to get rid of the old just don’t expect it to
>> work like the new.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Oct 28, 2016, at 4:02 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> So what about my I Mac Scott? I think you remember what type of processor
>>> and what kind of memory I have, is that too old although it does run with
>>> no problems. Do apple say that a late 2012 I Mac and a 2014 MacMini will
>>> not able to run new software? I'm not being unreasonable, I'm being
>>> practical, as one can't buy a new piece of kit every two or three years
>>> depending on one's circumstances. Unlike a person who has a well paid job
>>> and who may get a good salary I'd say yes, you could. But for someone who
>>> may not have a job or that the job does not keep up-to-date with pay
>>> because of a charity or something cannot buy a computer every two or three
>>> years. This is what is called practical Scott.
>>>> On 28 Oct 2016, at 20:52, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Kawal, it’s not that easy now come on that’s just unreasonable.
>>>>
>>>> Computers grow old like everything else. That G4 processor your Mac used
>>>> to have isn’t usable with new software. The compilers don’t work and it’s
>>>> just impractical. During the keynote yesterday they mentioned that the
>>>> current MacBook Pro is over 6.5 million times faster than the original
>>>> MacBook sold. Not twice as fast, not ten times as fast, 6.5 million times
>>>> as fast. It’s just not practical to expect that old hardware is usable
>>>> for anything other than a museum piece or boat anchor.
>>>>
>>>> Using your logic we’d still be jamming punch cards in to Univac just
>>>> because it still works. Sorry but no go.
>>>>
>>>> Here’s a fun fact illustrating my point. Your iPhone has more computing
>>>> power than the entire Apollo program did in the history of it’s existence.
>>>> In fact, your iPhone has more computer power than existed in the known
>>>> universe up through sometime in the early 80s. I personally have turned
>>>> old macs in to fish tanks which is about all you can do with some old
>>>> hardware and my mother’s basement is a small museum including a PDP-11 and
>>>> several high end work stations that today aren’t even worth the power they
>>>> consume. It’s just progress.
>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 28, 2016, at 3:46 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> A way of saying, get rid of your computer. Why on earth should one get
>>>>> rid of a computer if it's going strong, no need to not let it update. No
>>>>> wonder we live in a throw-away society as manufacturers encourage land
>>>>> fills and alike for Governments to say that there is no place to build
>>>>> houses etc, because we need land to accommodate rubbish and so on. It's
>>>>> manufacturers faults that 1: we are getting unhealthier because of bad
>>>>> food that is produced. 2: there is not enough space to accommodate the
>>>>> growing population because manufacturers are wishing for people to buy
>>>>> new computers and so we won't let your computer which is in perfect
>>>>> condition to update but we have decided that you need another regardless
>>>>> if you can afford it or not. Oh wow.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kawal.
>>>>>> On 28 Oct 2016, at 20:32, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It won’t be, nothing changes you do things as you always have. At some
>>>>>> point, your computer just won’t receive any more updates. The operating
>>>>>> system will eventually not be compatible because it’s to new. Sort of
>>>>>> the standard way of things happening.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Oct 28, 2016, at 2:33 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So what will happen for those people who have I Mac and Mac Mini's who
>>>>>>> have not changed their computers for a number of years as there will be
>>>>>>> no touch bars etc. So how will that be accommodated? I have not
>>>>>>> listened to the event as yet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kawal.
>>>>>>>> On 28 Oct 2016, at 19:06, christopher hallsworth
>>>>>>>> <challswor...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well you know what? Found out through the VoiceOver Getting Started
>>>>>>>> Guide that as part of the new and changed key commands set for
>>>>>>>> VoiceOver under macOS Sierra, VO-- (hyphen) will decrease the system
>>>>>>>> volume and vo-= (equals) will increase the system volume. Actually, I
>>>>>>>> will correct this by saying vo-- (hyphen) is definitely new, but vo-=
>>>>>>>> (equals) is actually a changed one from whatever it was before.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 28 Oct 2016, at 17:21, - <dandun...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Apple will almost certainly be forced to add yet another keystroke
>>>>>>>>> for doing what now is the direct press of a function key, volume for
>>>>>>>>> example.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is because when you cram multiple levels of function into a
>>>>>>>>> touch bar there has to be a way to choose among levels.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There are far far too many pretzel keypresses now without adding more.
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 28 Oct 2016, gs wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I care about access to the function keys in general and not just
>>>>>>>>>> what currently happens when one presses Command F5. I use the
>>>>>>>>>> function keys for adjusting screen brightness and volume, etc. I
>>>>>>>>>> wonder how all the other items currently available via the function
>>>>>>>>>> keys will be handled?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 28, 2016, at 6:37 AM, Brandt Steenkamp
>>>>>>>>>> <brandt.steenk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There we go,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Triple-tapping power sounds like the most consistent and logical way
>>>>>>>>>> to go.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Holding command down and tapping the touch bar also sounds okay, but
>>>>>>>>>> not like something apple would do.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Warm regards,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Brandt Steenkamp
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Macbook Pro
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Contact:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Phone:
>>>>>>>>>> Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181 <tel://+27605259181>
>>>>>>>>>> For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013
>>>>>>>>>> <calto://+27781205013>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Email: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com <mailto:brandt.steenk...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: @brandtsteenkamp <http://www.twitter.com/brandtsteenkamp>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 28 Oct 2016, at 11:21 AM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> IF Apple is truly going for consistancy, I have a feeling I know
>>>>>>>>>>> how we will turn on Voice Over with the new touch bar. I don?t
>>>>>>>>>>> know this for sure: but, I?d be willing to guess that to turn on
>>>>>>>>>>> Voice Over, you simply touch or press the power button three times
>>>>>>>>>>> quickly if Voice Over is off. OF course, you might be able to do
>>>>>>>>>>> it with Siri, or, here?s another guess: press the command key and
>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere on the touch bar. IF voice Over is off, it will know that
>>>>>>>>>>> you are trying to turn on Voice Over. My best guess, however,
>>>>>>>>>>> would be to quickly touch the power button three times. Makes the
>>>>>>>>>>> most sense and keeps things logical and easy.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 28, 2016, at 2:01 AM, christopher hallsworth
>>>>>>>>>>>> <challswor...@icloud.com <mailto:challswor...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.applevis.com/blog/apple-apple-tv-news/what-we-got-apples-october-2016-event#comment-form
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.applevis.com/blog/apple-apple-tv-news/what-we-got-apples-october-2016-event#comment-form>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What We Got from Apple's October 2016 Event
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Submitted by mehgcap on 27 October, 2016 - 16:28 and last
>>>>>>>>>>>>> modified on 27 October, 2016 - 19:18
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <editor.png> <http://www.applevis.com/applevis-editorial-team>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Again
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Today, Apple held a press event it called "Hello Again". The
>>>>>>>>>>>>> company announced a new accessibility website, a new Apple TV
>>>>>>>>>>>>> feature, and a long-awaited update to its MacBook computers. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>> may have missed the back-to-school shoppers, but today's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> announcements arrive just in time for the holiday shopping
>>>>>>>>>>>>> frenzy. There are some major changes to the MacBook line-up on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the way, and while much of what you're about to read is awesome,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you may not like all of it. But there's a great deal to like
>>>>>>>>>>>>> about the latest offerings from Apple, and I yell at articles to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> quit rambling in their intros and get on with it just as much as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you do, so let's get on with it!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Accessibility Kick-Off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To my surprise, Apple started the presentation with a video
>>>>>>>>>>>>> highlighting accessibility features of its products. This led to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim Cook's announcing a "whole new website" focused on Apple's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> accessibility efforts. As of the time of this writing, we haven't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> had a chance to fully explore this new website
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.apple.com/accessibility>, but it's always great to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> see the spotlight shown on all the work Apple does to make their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices as usable, to as many people, as they can. It?s also
>>>>>>>>>>>>> great to see that the AppleVis Community is featured on Apple?s
>>>>>>>>>>>>> new Accessibility Portal as somewhere people should go to obtain
>>>>>>>>>>>>> more information and support. Thank you, Apple!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Get Entertained on Apple TV
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, there's not a new Apple TV coming out, but there is a new way
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to find something to watch on the box you already have. It's a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> new app from Apple, called--appropriately enough--TV. Yep, just
>>>>>>>>>>>>> those two letters. Interestingly, Apple offers this app on not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> just Apple TV, but your iOS devices as well, letting you browse
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and play content on any of your devices. But what, exactly, does
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the app do?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> TV pulls together any shows or movies you're already watching on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your video apps, as well as offering the next or newest episodes
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in TV series. This isn't just iTunes, either; it can work with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ShowTime, CBS, HBO Now, and others, which makes it simple to keep
>>>>>>>>>>>>> up with any entertainment you're watching. The app also shows you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your iTunes purchases or new video apps. It can even play content
>>>>>>>>>>>>> without you needing to know which app the content is in; tell
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Siri to play a particular show or game and that's all you need.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But don't get too excited, because while the app is free, it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> won't be here until the end of the year.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prose about the Pro
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The MacBook Pro was the star of the show today. It got a major
>>>>>>>>>>>>> makeover--the first since the 2013 model dropped the disk
>>>>>>>>>>>>> drive--and there's a lot of great stuff on and inside it. Yet,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> there's also a change you may not like.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Inevitable Updates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> First, the fun part: the updates we all expected, and that Apple
>>>>>>>>>>>>> almost had to make. The Pro is now slightly lighter and thinner,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> while the battery life remains at ten hours; no surprise there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's also adopted the USB-C ports we first saw in the Retina
>>>>>>>>>>>>> MacBook last year. The new Pro includes four of them, and any of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them can be used to charge the machine, which is a great touch if
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your outlet is opposite the power jack of your Mac. The audio
>>>>>>>>>>>>> jack, fortunately, hasn't gone anywhere, so there's no need to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> worry about getting USB sound cards or mics plus a bunch of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> adaptors. Those four USB-C (also called Thunderbolt 3--same
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing) are all the ports you get, though. No standard USB, no
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mini Display, no card reader, and, sadly, no more MagSafe.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Speaking of audio, the speakers are louder and, Apple claims,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sound better than ever. Oh, and the storage is twice as fast as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> before, while the ram has gotten faster, too. Overall, the new
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pros are anywhere from half again to more than twice as fast as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the models they replace, depending on the category (gaming,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> graphics, or storage) you're interested in. Between the faster
>>>>>>>>>>>>> storage and ram, the better CPUs, and the improved graphics
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cards, these machines are powerhouses that manage to be smaller
>>>>>>>>>>>>> than any Pro to date.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> One unexpected bit of news: the trackpad on the Pro is now twice
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as large as in previous models, and, of course, uses Taptic
>>>>>>>>>>>>> feedback to simulate a click. This lets you click it anywhere,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not just on the bottom, and provides a much better experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with its larger surface area that can still click when pushed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not at all unexpected is the screen. It is 67% brighter, can show
>>>>>>>>>>>>> much better color, and draws even less power than the 2015
>>>>>>>>>>>>> MacBook Pro screen. Yet it is as thin as that of the Retina
>>>>>>>>>>>>> MacBook, Apple's smallest computer ever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Finally, in keeping with the storage trend it started with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> iPhone 7, Apple is upping the base storage for all its Macs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 256GB is now the minimum for all MacBook models, which is where
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Retina MacBooks have always been. The amount of ram across
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the line has not changed, to my knowledge.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> New Magic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aside from the new ports and altered dimensions, the major new
>>>>>>>>>>>>> feature on the Pro models is the removal of the entire top line
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of keys. Escape, F1 through F12, and Eject are all gone, replaced
>>>>>>>>>>>>> by what amounts to a touch screen. This "Touchbar", as Apple is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> calling it, is a multi-touch, retina-quality screen that runs in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a strip along the top of the Mac's keyboard. The Bar offers
>>>>>>>>>>>>> context-sensitive controls and suggestions, plus emulates
>>>>>>>>>>>>> function keys when necessary.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do this? Apple's reasoning is rather compelling, when you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> think about it objectively. What is the top row of keys for most
>>>>>>>>>>>>> users? Keys used mostly for media or brightness control. When you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> aren't doing those things, those keys are wasted space. Instead
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of simply taking them out, Apple has decided to update them. Now,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they can be your media controls in iTunes like normal, but they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> can also be the buttons or tools you need at any given moment, in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> any given application. In Mail, you have favorite mailboxes,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> message controls, and quick actions all available at the top of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your keyboard. In Safari, you have tabs, favorite websites, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> more. While typing, you have QuickType suggestions, just like in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> iOS. Best of all, you can customize the bar to show the controls
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you want, and touch one key to quickly bring up your standard
>>>>>>>>>>>>> function keys at any time. Plus, being a touch-sensitive display,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can perform gestures on the TouchBar. It wasn't clear what
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gestures are supported, but we know for sure that up to ten
>>>>>>>>>>>>> simultaneous touches will be recognized. That means dragging,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pinching, swiping, and more, all with one or more fingers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The TouchBar is Apple's first attempt to marry a touch-enabled
>>>>>>>>>>>>> display with the keyboard- and mouse-driven world of macOS. No,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it won't be perfect right away, but it speaks of exciting things
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to come. Even in this first iteration, I have to admit I'm eager
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to try it out for myself. It's not the access to functions for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> which hotkeys already exist that I like, but rather the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> customization possibilities I can envision. Combined with gesture
>>>>>>>>>>>>> input, the TouchBar could significantly raise the bar on computer
>>>>>>>>>>>>> interfaces. I apologize for any mental injury caused by such a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> terrible pun.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course, this means that VoiceOver users lose the hardware keys
>>>>>>>>>>>>> we use all the time--escape, f1, f2, and f5 come to mind
>>>>>>>>>>>>> immediately as keys I use many times a day for various VO
>>>>>>>>>>>>> commands. The big question, then, is how to perform these
>>>>>>>>>>>>> commands if all the virtual keys on the TouchBar have configured
>>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves for the currently open application? I wish I had the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer, but all I can say is that we at AppleVis have reached out
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to Apple about this issue. Thus far, we haven't heard, but we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> will let you know when and if we get a response. Still, with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple TV, Apple Watch, boot sequence with File Vault enabled, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> even complete macOS re-installs all offering VoiceOver support, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have no doubt that the new TouchBar won't be a problem. Who
>>>>>>>>>>>>> knows; there may even be a whole new commander to play with.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A Touchy Addition
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ever since the iPhone 5s in 2013, TouchID has been a staple of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> iOS devices. If you bought an iPhone or iPad, you knew you'd get
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ability to unlock it, or authorize payments/purchases/apps,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with your fingerprint. However, no Mac has ever had this hugely
>>>>>>>>>>>>> convenient ability. Apple partly addressed this shortcoming in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> macOS Sierra, allowing users to perform authentication on their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Macs through iPhones or Apple Watches.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, though, the MacBook Pro can do it all; the power button is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> also a TouchID sensor. Logging into your Mac, entering your admin
>>>>>>>>>>>>> password, using Apple Pay, and other security-centric tasks just
>>>>>>>>>>>>> got a lot more convenient. Simply place a finger on the power
>>>>>>>>>>>>> button, and that's it. Just like on iOS devices, the Mac reads
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your print, authenticates you, and you're all set. If you share a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mac with someone else, you can even use TouchID to immediately
>>>>>>>>>>>>> switch to your own user account, simply by touching the reader.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Getting Butterflies Over the New Keyboard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now I have to give you the bad news. When the Retina MacBook came
>>>>>>>>>>>>> out, it included a keyboard that Apple naturally called
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "revolutionary". The keyboard took up less space, and gave a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> whole new feel to typing due to its "butterfly" switches. Apple
>>>>>>>>>>>>> may love the new design, but many reviewers found it odd and not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as nice as the old keyboards.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I went down to a local outlet store and tried the keyboard
>>>>>>>>>>>>> myself, I had to agree; the key travel was less, and--more
>>>>>>>>>>>>> importantly--the space between the keys was almost non-existent.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This made it very hard for me to feel where the keys were. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> imagine this would have gotten better with time, so I'm not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> willing to condemn the keyboard based only on that first
>>>>>>>>>>>>> impression.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I say all that to say this: a new version of that new keyboard is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> now standard on all MacBooks. The good news is that Apple
>>>>>>>>>>>>> specifically mentioned key travel as an area of improvement in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this new generation keyboard, so I'm happy to try out the latest
>>>>>>>>>>>>> model and be proven wrong. I do recommend getting over to an
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple Store or other shop where a demo MacBook is displayed so
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can get your hands on the new keyboard before you make any
>>>>>>>>>>>>> purchase, if possible. However, the mention of an updated design
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gives me hope that Apple may have gotten it right this time. Only
>>>>>>>>>>>>> time and experience will tell.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The New Line-Up (Or: Bye-Bye to the MacBook Air )
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For years, the choice of Macs has been simple: an eleven- or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thirteen-inch Air, or a thirteen- or fifteen-inch Pro. In 2015,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple shook things up with the introduction of a twelve-inch
>>>>>>>>>>>>> MacBook with a retina display, dubbed the Retina MacBook or,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> confusingly, simply the MacBook. Despite its larger screen, this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> device was about the size of the eleven-inch Air, and rumors
>>>>>>>>>>>>> swirled that Apple would drop the smallest Air from the line- up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As the Retina version lacked more than one USB port and used a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> less powerful processor, though, there was still a valid use case
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the Air.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Despite all that, the Air is no more. It has been replaced with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the twelve-inch Retina model for those wanting the smallest
>>>>>>>>>>>>> computer, and a basic version of the 13-inch Pro for those
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wanting a little more. Again, though, both devices are about the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> same size, so you don't have to worry about getting a physically
>>>>>>>>>>>>> larger machine. In fact, the 13-inch Pro is twelve percent
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinner and thirteen percent smaller in overall volume than the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 13-inch Air. Note that, at least for the moment, the 13-inch Air
>>>>>>>>>>>>> remains available, while the 11-inch Air has been pulled. No one
>>>>>>>>>>>>> knows how long this will last, though, just as there's no telling
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for how much longer the 13-inch Pro from 2015 will continue to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sold.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Airs are all but gone, and in their place are the 12-inch
>>>>>>>>>>>>> MacBook we already know, and a 13-inch Pro to take the place of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 13-inch Air, While it so far has no official name, this Pro
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lacks the TouchBar and TouchID of its more expensive sibling, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> includes two USB-C ports to the four that come on the "real"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pros. If you're looking for a new Mac, here are your options. All
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of these come with 256GB of storage and 8GB of ram, except the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 15-inch Pro which has 16GB of ram:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12-inch MacBook: one USB-C port, fanless design, smallest and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> least powerful MacBook available. $1,299, 2 pounds.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 13-inch "basic" Pro: two USB-C ports, no TouchBar, no TouchID,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2GhZ dual core Core I5 processor. Identical to base model 13-inch
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pro in all other ways. $1,499, 3 pounds.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 13-inch Pro: four USB-C ports, 2.9GhZ dual core Core I5
>>>>>>>>>>>>> processor, includes TouchBar. $1,799, 3 pounds.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 15-inch Pro: four USB-C ports, 2.6GhZ quad core Core I7, includes
>>>>>>>>>>>>> TouchBar. Again, starts with 16GB of ram to the others' 8GB.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> $2,399, 4 pounds.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Until Next Year
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's it. Apple isn't expected to release anything new until
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sometime next year, so go forth and shop with confidence that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're getting the newest machines for months to come. Or, wait
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for deals on the "old" models, which are still extremely powerful
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and capable computers. Whatever you decide, today's announcements
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gave you a lot to choose from.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As of today (the day of the event), pre-orders are open for all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> models, though some won't ship for a few weeks while others will
>>>>>>>>>>>>> go out today. Please don't rely on this article for final prices,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> specifications, and upgrade options. Use Apple's website, or the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple Store app, for that. I'm just giving you the basics, as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> given out at the presentation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me know what you're thinking. Is the incredible reduction in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> size, and increase in power, enough to make you want a new Pro?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will you snatch up an Air while you can (no one knows if they're
>>>>>>>>>>>>> officially being discontinued)? Are you intrigued by the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> TouchBar, or do you want to stay far away from it? If I had the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> money, I'd get the 13-inch Pro with TouchBar in a heartbeat. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>> possibilities of a second touch/display surface are exciting, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I use peripherals rarely enough that going all USB-C wouldn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bother me. My only concern is the keyboard, but I have yet to see
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this new generation in person. Let me know what you think!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blog Tags:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple <x-msg://36/blog/tags/apple>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple TV <x-msg://36/applevis-blog/apple-tv>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> News <x-msg://36/blog/tags/news>
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