Hi Scott, I must respectfully disagree with the minorities not quaking in fear. And I preface my point with this. Earlier in the thread, you mentioned putting your ear to the street/, if you listened to the actual people you knew it was going to happen. In short, your saying media and polls got it wrong but, if you looked around you, the writing was on the wall for a Trump win. Then you followed that up by using the same pulling stats you said weren’t a good predictor of actual attitudes. So I’m just curious, how many minorities especially those who have immigrated to the U.S. do you live among, and listen to? I ask because, the U.S. is extremely segregated in regards to where we live. If your on this list and your Black, chances are most of your neighbors are the same. If your White, same applies. I happen to be Black, and a person who came to the U.S. from another country at a young age. But in saying that, I have lived, and live around many who fit that same description and their families. And at least looking around me, the demographic your mentioning, they are definitely quaking in fear. From naturalized citizens and legal residence wondering if they can somehow have the carpet pulled from under them and get deported to, some wondering if they will be thrown in jail because they were at a BLM protest, and they might be labeled as terrorists. I won’t comment if I think their anxiety is just. I will just say its real among many ..
As far as the racial component, I think it played a factor for sure. Most things in the U.S. does. I think its just that for many Whites, its a non factor in their daily lives so, their is no skin in the game when it comes to racism. Its purely academic for most. Its like blind people trying to explain to sighted people how hard it is for a person who’s blind to find work fitting their skill set an education. They might agree with you, recognize the problem, make all the right noises but, since it doesn’t directly affect them, they are more likely to undervalue the impact it has on a blind person’s life, and outlook on life for that matter. Further more, since that person isn’t directly responsible for that discrimination, they take solace in that, and sorta look away from the issue. But in reality, they are the only people who can truly fix the issue. So to complete the comparison, Unless enough sighted people decided that fair and equal treatment in the work place is a high priority, there is little a blind person can do to change their lot collectively. Same with racism. So for example, if you are white, acknowledge racism, find it to be terrible, but downplay the affect that has on the every day life of a person of color, racism will persist. And there is little a person of color can do. Its up the the majority, either sighted/able bodied, or white to treat the issue as if it affected them personally because, it takes a change in attitude more than laws. Like your Uncle marching with Dr. King. Think about that for a second. civil rights movement, it could have never happened without White people with the courage and conviction to physically participate in the righting of a wrong. And hence more validating to other White people that the problem was real. I’ll tell you what Scott, I was in Manhattan a while back, hanging out with some friends. Heading home, I asked one of my white friends to hail a cab for me. He thought I was nuts. So we did an experiment. I had a Black friend of mine try. No cabs stopped. he was at it for 15 minutes. White friend tried? Cab in 30 seconds. And for my White friend, that was the first up close and personal view of how race is a factor for people of color every single day of our lives if we know it or not. Just my 2 cents. :) > On Nov 10, 2016, at 11:30 AM, Scott Granados <[email protected]> wrote: > > I don’t buy the minorities quaking in fear. Trump received 29% of the latino > vote, that’s more than 1 in 4 although if you view the media you’d think it > was sub 1%. Trump also increased the votes received by the African American > community. It was still small but it was a larger percentage than any > republican previously. > > I also don’t agree with your whites not voting for democrats. Whites in > majority voted for president Obama after all and that’s just recent history. > You’ve had whites involved in the civil rights effort in large numbers for > years although that’s not discussed as much. Hell my own Uncle marched on > Washington with Dr. King. I don’t buy the racial argument. Are there racists > sure are the majority, no I don’t by that. Maybe as you said though, my > world view is overly shaped by the people closest to me which do not buy in > to the racial argument. > > I would highly encourage us to move this over to the off topic list though. > We’ve filled the inboxes of folks only interested in Macs and Devices a lot > today and that’s probably not fair to them. > > >> On Nov 10, 2016, at 11:21 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> OK, I would want to agree, but how will you structure the test? I >> warrant you can't do that without discriminating in some way or other. >> >> Recognize that our Constitution has supported tests from its inception. The >> original >> tests went like this; you had to be a citizen, white, male, and own property. >> >> The property thing went first, the white thing technically went away >> after the Civil War, and the male thing went away beginning with the >> 1920 election. >> >> I say the white thing went away "technically," because the extreme >> example, of course, is well known history. In the bad old days in the >> south they used to have these tests for allowing people to register to >> vote. Grade school drop outs who were white would inviariably pass, and >> Ph.D's who were black would routinely fail. Yet the Supremes upheld the >> practice for decades--until a 1960's Congress and President Johnson >> signed legislation that banned this kind of thing. >> >> Here's something to consider. Ever since Voting Rights legislation was >> signed into law, white people in the U.S. have never voted to elect a >> Democrat. Had only whites voted in each election since this legislation >> in 1964 and 1965, there would only have been Republican Presidents. We >> need to acknowledge and consider this fact, too, because it's the >> overwhelming white vote this time around that's given us Trump, >> following on a campaign riddled with racial and gender slurs and >> impercations. Do you wonder that minority communities are quaking in >> fear just now? >> >> Janina >> >> >> >> Todor Fassl writes: >>> But why? Why should people who know nothing about the issues vote? Just >>> repeating your opinion that they should vote is no answer. >>> >>> It's like saying you should get brain surgery even if you're not sure you >>> have something wrong with your brain. Just sign yourself up for random >>> medical treatments, who knows, some of them might even help. >>> >>> Instead of picking someone at random, if you haven't studied the issues, you >>> should STAY HOME! >>> >>> >>> repeating that they should vote is NO answer. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 11/08/2016 05:19 PM, Robin wrote: >>>> I Disagree >>>> Voting is a Right & EveryOne should Vote >>>> No Matter What iff Eligible >>>> At 02:26 PM 11/8/2016, you wrote: >>>>> I don't think people should vote just for the sake of voting. That's >>>>> how bad guys get elected -- ignorant voters put them in office. If you >>>>> havent studied the issues, please stay home. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 11/08/2016 05:50 AM, Scott Granados wrote: >>>>>> For our friends in the US, >>>>>> Totally apolitical here and please please let’s keep it >>>>>> that way. Get out there and vote today, do your civic duty >>>>>> regardless of your party / candidate / beliefs just get out and have >>>>>> your voice heard if you haven’t already. >>>>>> Uber is offering a $20 credit for a trip to your polling >>>>>> place, Lyft has a similar deal with up to $45 in credits, and Google >>>>>> also has the means to arrange a ride for you and provide some credits >>>>>> to get to your closest polls. the parties are offering rides and >>>>>> volunteer services as well. >>>>>> Also, make sure you take advantage of the deals available >>>>>> today to voters. Keep that “I voted†sticker and Krispy Cream >>>>>> will give you a free donut, McDonalds and Seven Eleven are giving >>>>>> free coffee, and many small businesses are having election day >>>>>> promotions that include discounts or out right freebies. >>>>>> Remember that many service men and women have fought and died >>>>>> for your right to vote so let’s not let them down and make sure we >>>>>> take advantage of our most powerful expression of our freedom, our >>>>>> right to vote. Now get out there and be safe everyone. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Todd >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>>> Visionaries list. >>>>> >>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, >>>>> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact >>>>> the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>>> >>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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