OK Sandy, here's why I mentioned it, and thanks for not giving me any benefit of any doubt. A lot of people go out and immediately upgrade when they see a new release. They do it before they see anybody's reporting on anything. Maybe you are one of those people or not. Point being, this is about to come out as a final release this month. I thought I was doing people a favor by telling them to wait and see and hear about it after it came out. So thanks a lot for understanding. Mary
Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 6, 2016, at 3:26 PM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse <sandi1...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Okay, is it just me who is like whaaaa? when i see stuff like this, i > mean on the one hand mary tells us that there is a problem, but on the > other hand she don’t? > i will be honest i think it is the most childish mail i have seen for > weeks. If you can’t talk about it , maybe keeping quiet is the better > idea :) > >> On 12/6/16, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com> wrote: >> OK. Understood. It sounds to me that it’s broken. If they changed it, >> they need to be told it was an undesired change. >> >> >> Take Care >> >> John D. Panarese >> Director >> Mac for the Blind >> Tel, (631) 724-4479 >> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com >> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com >> >> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer >> >> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE >> >> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT >> >> >> >>> On Dec 6, 2016, at 5:54 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Yes, the two finger swipe down and the two finger flick up or as you say. >>> But in the email app, the two finger flick up has always just read the >>> message text only. Now, both to finger flick down and two finger flick up >>> read the same thing, because the focus which is where to finger flick down >>> with start from, is at the top where all the address stuff is. So the two >>> jesters do the same thing, giving you a bot bunch of extraneous crap every >>> time you want to read a message, unless you explore and find the exact >>> line where you want to begin a two finger flick down read from. Sorry for >>> the crappy sentence structure. Maybe this is a design change, but it's a >>> bad one. >>> Mary >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Dec 6, 2016, at 2:49 PM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>>> I might be missing something here, but isn’t the two finger swipe down >>>> read from cursor position down and the two finger swipe up reads >>>> everything? >>>> >>>> >>>> Take Care >>>> >>>> John D. Panarese >>>> Director >>>> Mac for the Blind >>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479 >>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com> >>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com <http://www.macfortheblind.com/> >>>> >>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer >>>> >>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE >>>> >>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Dec 6, 2016, at 5:47 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com >>>>> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Well, since the two finger flick up has been working this way since I >>>>> have been using iOS, or at least as long back as I can remember in iOS, >>>>> I would say it is the expected behavior. And since several people have >>>>> reported it as a bug, it seems rather strange that they would compound >>>>> the problem. And why am God's holy name if you found a way to make it >>>>> possible to just read the message text in this specialized case, would >>>>> you regressed to having a one-size-fits-all, which clearly does not fit >>>>> all. I can't believe it works for most people to have to read the entire >>>>> screen when all you want is the message text, with a nice easy gesture, >>>>> without having to find the exact place on the screen from which you must >>>>> start reading down. It doesn't work for me. And they've been doing it >>>>> just fine for several years now. So, I would say it was expected and now >>>>> it's broken and they need to fix it. I sure hope that any beta testers >>>>> you encounter this will report it as a bug. >>>>> Mary >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Dec 6, 2016, at 2:35 PM, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com >>>>> <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I hardly ever use two finger flick up, because that is the behavior I >>>>>> would have expected. Two finger flick up is supposed to read from >>>>>> beginning and two finger flick down from the current location. >>>>>> >>>>>> I can understand that this would be frustrating but do we have evidence >>>>>> this is a that the behavior you prefer is the intended behavior? >>>>>> >>>>>> Best Wishes, >>>>>> >>>>>> Jonathan Cohn >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 5:26 PM Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com >>>>>> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>> Well I haven't heard John say he's against this kind of post, so I'm >>>>>> taking my chances. The problem is with the two finger flick up when you >>>>>> have opened a message. It now behaves like the iPad, that is, it reads >>>>>> a whole lot of extra stuff that you don't need or want to hear, the to >>>>>> field, the from field, but time, the subject, and finally the words >>>>>> "message body". It does all that before it reads the text of the >>>>>> message you want to hear. iPads have been doing this since the >>>>>> inception of iOS 10. But the iPhone has been good until somewhere in >>>>>> the 10.2 beta cycle. Now it's not good. If you read as much email as I >>>>>> do, this is a righteous pain in the eye won't say where. >>>>>> Mary >>>>>> PS, I have reported it before for the iPad and now for the phone, and I >>>>>> know others have reported it for the iPad, and they still haven't fixed >>>>>> it of course. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 6, 2016, at 10:16 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com >>>>>>> <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just post the problem so we can all post our concerns to Apple if we >>>>>>> agree. I haven’t run in to a problem so it would also be good to see >>>>>>> if it’s universal or not. If you’re not comfortable, write off list >>>>>>> and I’ll post it at least where we shouldn’t have objection. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Dec 6, 2016, at 1:08 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com >>>>>>>> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I agree with you, Scott. But since the list admin of at least one of >>>>>>>> the lists which I have posted has explicitly stated that they do not >>>>>>>> want such discussions on list, I felt the only thing I could do was >>>>>>>> say that there is a problem, and people should wait until the final >>>>>>>> comes out, hear what the problem is and decide for themselves if >>>>>>>> they can live with it. I don't know what else to do. >>>>>>>> Mary >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Dec 6, 2016, at 10:03 AM, Scott Granados >>>>>>>>> <scott.grana...@gmail.com <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I couldn’t disagree more strongly. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> When our access is concerned and someone wants to raise concerns I >>>>>>>>> think it’s critical that they do so and this is the public beta. I >>>>>>>>> actually called Apple and was told that discussions like these were >>>>>>>>> permitted. Also consider that Redmondpie gives an update to date >>>>>>>>> feature and change release publicly for each beta release meaning >>>>>>>>> there is no legal concern and I have confirmation right from the >>>>>>>>> horses mouth. We need to discuss this openly in as many forums as >>>>>>>>> possible so that suitable notification and public reaction to >>>>>>>>> problems can be generated. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Dec 6, 2016, at 12:58 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Can't we keep this off list 100%? If 10.2 is still in beta then >>>>>>>>>> its off topic, yes? Where is that discussion group for beta >>>>>>>>>> testers? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>>>>>>>> Without H2O there is no life! >>>>>>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 12/6/2016 9:52 AM, Mary Otten wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Well, I did confirm off list with another beta user who is having >>>>>>>>>>> the same issue I am having. So I know it isn't just me, running >>>>>>>>>>> beta six on an iPhone 7 Plus. Maybe this issue doesn't bother you >>>>>>>>>>> as much as it does me. And this other user. >>>>>>>>>>> Mary >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 6, 2016, at 9:51 AM, Scott Granados >>>>>>>>>>>> <scott.grana...@gmail.com <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I have not had any issues with mail on 10.2 on the 7+ running >>>>>>>>>>>> Beta 6 of the 10.2 train. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 6, 2016, at 12:48 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> If you are a heavy user of the iPhone mail app, don't rush to >>>>>>>>>>>>> upgrade to 10.2 if you are not already in the beta program. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Since I suppose were not supposed to say what is the problem on >>>>>>>>>>>>> some of these lists, I won't. 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