Does the pop / push or what ever it is called not do this for you on the new devices?
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Wednesday, 7 December 2016 4:19 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: iPhone users of the mail app think twice before upgrading to 10.2 when it comes out Scott, Apple changed this in iOS 10. It is now necessary to perform a three-finger single-tap to have VO read the preview lines for the message. Again, this is a specific change instituted by Apple, not a bug. If you prefer the previous way, send Apple a message telling them. Kind regards, David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Mobile: +61 488 988 936 Sent from my iPhone On 7/12/2016, at 16:12, Scott Granados <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: While we’re on this, one thing that went away that I did like in previous versions is pulling up a subject by swiping would read the first few lines of the content so you could see if you wanted to open the mail or not. Like in OS X if you select a topic it reads part of the message the iPhone used to do this, it no longer does since IOS 10. On Dec 6, 2016, at 5:54 PM, Mary Otten <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Yes, the two finger swipe down and the two finger flick up or as you say. But in the email app, the two finger flick up has always just read the message text only. Now, both to finger flick down and two finger flick up read the same thing, because the focus which is where to finger flick down with start from, is at the top where all the address stuff is. So the two jesters do the same thing, giving you a bot bunch of extraneous crap every time you want to read a message, unless you explore and find the exact line where you want to begin a two finger flick down read from. Sorry for the crappy sentence structure. Maybe this is a design change, but it's a bad one. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Dec 6, 2016, at 2:49 PM, John Panarese <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I might be missing something here, but isn’t the two finger swipe down read from cursor position down and the two finger swipe up reads everything? Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com<http://www.macfortheblind.com/> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Dec 6, 2016, at 5:47 PM, Mary Otten <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Well, since the two finger flick up has been working this way since I have been using iOS, or at least as long back as I can remember in iOS, I would say it is the expected behavior. And since several people have reported it as a bug, it seems rather strange that they would compound the problem. And why am God's holy name if you found a way to make it possible to just read the message text in this specialized case, would you regressed to having a one-size-fits-all, which clearly does not fit all. I can't believe it works for most people to have to read the entire screen when all you want is the message text, with a nice easy gesture, without having to find the exact place on the screen from which you must start reading down. It doesn't work for me. And they've been doing it just fine for several years now. So, I would say it was expected and now it's broken and they need to fix it. I sure hope that any beta testers you encounter this will report it as a bug. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Dec 6, 2016, at 2:35 PM, Jonathan Cohn <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I hardly ever use two finger flick up, because that is the behavior I would have expected. Two finger flick up is supposed to read from beginning and two finger flick down from the current location. I can understand that this would be frustrating but do we have evidence this is a that the behavior you prefer is the intended behavior? Best Wishes, Jonathan Cohn On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 5:26 PM Mary Otten <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Well I haven't heard John say he's against this kind of post, so I'm taking my chances. The problem is with the two finger flick up when you have opened a message. It now behaves like the iPad, that is, it reads a whole lot of extra stuff that you don't need or want to hear, the to field, the from field, but time, the subject, and finally the words "message body". It does all that before it reads the text of the message you want to hear. iPads have been doing this since the inception of iOS 10. But the iPhone has been good until somewhere in the 10.2 beta cycle. Now it's not good. If you read as much email as I do, this is a righteous pain in the eye won't say where. Mary PS, I have reported it before for the iPad and now for the phone, and I know others have reported it for the iPad, and they still haven't fixed it of course. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 6, 2016, at 10:16 AM, Scott Granados > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Just post the problem so we can all post our concerns to Apple if we agree. > I haven’t run in to a problem so it would also be good to see if it’s > universal or not. If you’re not comfortable, write off list and I’ll post it > at least where we shouldn’t have objection. > >> On Dec 6, 2016, at 1:08 PM, Mary Otten >> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> I agree with you, Scott. But since the list admin of at least one of the >> lists which I have posted has explicitly stated that they do not want such >> discussions on list, I felt the only thing I could do was say that there is >> a problem, and people should wait until the final comes out, hear what the >> problem is and decide for themselves if they can live with it. I don't know >> what else to do. >> Mary >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Dec 6, 2016, at 10:03 AM, Scott Granados >>> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> I couldn’t disagree more strongly. >>> >>> When our access is concerned and someone wants to raise concerns I think >>> it’s critical that they do so and this is the public beta. I actually >>> called Apple and was told that discussions like these were permitted. Also >>> consider that Redmondpie gives an update to date feature and change release >>> publicly for each beta release meaning there is no legal concern and I have >>> confirmation right from the horses mouth. We need to discuss this openly >>> in as many forums as possible so that suitable notification and public >>> reaction to problems can be generated. >>> >>>> On Dec 6, 2016, at 12:58 PM, E.T. >>>> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Can't we keep this off list 100%? If 10.2 is still in beta then its off >>>> topic, yes? Where is that discussion group for beta testers? >>>> >>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>> Without H2O there is no life! >>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>>> >>>>> On 12/6/2016 9:52 AM, Mary Otten wrote: >>>>> Well, I did confirm off list with another beta user who is having the >>>>> same issue I am having. So I know it isn't just me, running beta six on >>>>> an iPhone 7 Plus. Maybe this issue doesn't bother you as much as it does >>>>> me. And this other user. >>>>> Mary >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Dec 6, 2016, at 9:51 AM, Scott Granados >>>>>> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I have not had any issues with mail on 10.2 on the 7+ running Beta 6 of >>>>>> the 10.2 train. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 6, 2016, at 12:48 PM, Mary Otten >>>>>>> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you are a heavy user of the iPhone mail app, don't rush to upgrade >>>>>>> to 10.2 if you are not already in the beta program. Since I suppose >>>>>>> were not supposed to say what is the problem on some of these lists, I >>>>>>> won't. 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