Yes verry good points. You wouldn't have jaws on every computer. Say you go to work and have to use a computer. Well with a PC and jaws you would hav to get jaws and put it on that computer wich is changing a computer that possibley you would mabey not be using all the time. With a mac all you have to do is turn vo on and your set. So if it was a differnt computer well you would still be able to work with it. One other thing is if you had to help some one say a sighted friend fix there computer. You would have to put some sort of speach software on it because you could help them. With a mac you could sall the problem and then just turn vo off. Just some of my thoughts on this. Mike. On 2009-12-22, at 4:42 PM, John André Netland wrote:
> Hi, > > Well, I think you forget one important point in this discussion; The Mac and > the iPhone/iPod Touch not only speaks out of the box in the Apple Store, it > also talks without any additional software on any Mac and any iPHone/iPod > Touch your friends, your family, your internet cafés, your library, your > school, your university, your work etc etc have at their location. So, you > are not forced to use only your own special edited and pre-installed PC at > home or at work, with only one authorization available. You are free to use > any Mac/iPHone/iPod Touch on this planet. If your unit is stolen, lost, > broken or simply not where you currently are, there are always another one > available. No re-installing, re-authorization, help to perform installation > etc etc. That is a consept I like, and would like to benefit from. In > addition, my Mac and iPHone is currently what makes me productive and able to > run my business with success. NOt that I could not do just that with a PC, > but not with that kind of freedom. > > Just my little point of view on this subject. Smiles. > > Take care, and have a lovely Christmas everyone! > > John André > > > On 22. des. 2009, at 22.13, Tyler Littlefield wrote: > >> I believe you should re-read my message. I said VO still needs help, not "I >> still need help." >> While a computer that talks off-the-shelf is great, that's no reason to tell >> someone they need to buy the mac. While I like the mac, the cost really >> doesn't balance out having a computer that talks in the apple store. >> >> I still stand by what I've said since I received voiceover. There are some >> things that VO does and doesn't do better than Jaws. I think we should be >> looking at what the reader gives us when advertizing it rather than saying >> "You can use this in the store." Because in reality it doesn't really matter >> to our productivity if it works off the shelf. While I think the IPhone is >> great, as I said, I will be buying something that isn't an IPhone because of >> it's voice active issues. Reading off a number while being with someone if >> you want to three-way-call is quite annoying in its self, much less having >> to make sure things are quiet. >> On Dec 22, 2009, at 1:34 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >> >>> Tyler, >>> >>> I do not understand your comment below. What does it talking out of the >>> box have to do with whether you need help. I do not understand the >>> connection. Can you elaborate? >>> >>> On Dec 22, 2009, at 2:04 PM, Tyler Littlefield wrote: >>> >>>> Sure, but just because it talks out of the box doesn't mean much. Don't >>>> get me wrong, I love my VO, but there still are things that it needs help >>>> with. >>>> On Dec 22, 2009, at 11:51 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>> >>>>> ALthough I agree there needs to be no mission in converting folks,, I do >>>>> believe it makes sense to let any and all know. Whether you like the >>>>> iPhone or not is in my mind irrelevant. What is relevant is the fact >>>>> that finally now a blind or visually impaired person can now go into a >>>>> store and purchase an accessible product, whether that be a computer, >>>>> iPhone, or iPod, and not have to purchase additional and expensive >>>>> software makes a tremendous difference. >>>>> I think there is more to be gained by proving the Mac or other offerings >>>>> by Apple are viable solutions is what will sell the product to a blind or >>>>> visually impaired user honestly. >>>>> >>>>> On Dec 22, 2009, at 12:58 PM, Tyler Littlefield wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The iphone seems nice enough, but lets not go on a converting rampage. >>>>>> I'm personally getting something else, because I don't like the iphone, >>>>>> even if we had service for it where I'm at. >>>>>> On Dec 22, 2009, at 10:46 AM, Jess wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi folks, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well, I'm getting the IPhone 3 GS today. But more than that, folks, we >>>>>>> need to keep the trend of switching to the Mac and IPhone going. The >>>>>>> more people we have switching, the more inclined Apple will be to >>>>>>> continue support and development for Voice OVer. >>>>>>> For the first time, I can walk into a store, pick up a phone, and have >>>>>>> it talk out of the box. I don't have to have this special software that >>>>>>> makes my phone accessible, and explain to people, oh, this is special >>>>>>> software that reads aloud what you see on the screen. When I mention to >>>>>>> people that I am going to get the IPhone, I feel a great deal of >>>>>>> satisfaction that people don't look at me and go, well Jess, youre >>>>>>> blind, so how the hell will you be able to use it? It's awesome that I >>>>>>> can be treated as an equal. We half! to keep this trend up! Otherwise, >>>>>>> what we have waited for, hoped for, and longed for, access to something >>>>>>> right out of the box, will soon be gone forever! And by the way, every >>>>>>> time I try to convince someone that accessibility is a right and we >>>>>>> have the right to have 100 percent access to everything we buy, that >>>>>>> argument that we are to small of a market is always what I get. I'm >>>>>>> sorry, but Apple is proving that argument to be void, and I have never >>>>>>> agreed with it and never will. 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