David, to what app you refer to? BlindSquare has been around for 5 years and I have done roughly 100 updates to it (free of charge for all app owners).
I still support iOS versions 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10, but always make sure that latest devices are supported with maximum performance. I also support new features if you run latest iOS. For example, on iOS 10 I support all downloadable iOS voices. If you want to benefit form these, you need to download them from iOS Settings/General/Accessibility/Speech/Voices. Once you have downloaded ones you like, they can be selected from BlindSquare's voice settings. Best, Ilkka On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 9:52 PM, David and his growing pack of dogs. Benny, no longer with us his memory lives on through <myguidedo...@gmail.com> wrote: > My only concern so far is, when I went into the app store. The app in > discussion on this list has not been updated for almost 3 years. > Since June of 014. If I purchased the app on my IPhone 6S plus. Would > I get the prompt that the developer needs to update the app and it > could slow down your IPhone. Also, does the app work outside the U > S? > > On 3/3/17, Ilkka Pirttimaa <ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com> wrote: > > It works on trainstations too, including tracks, delays and all you need. > > You can control these also from audio menu and with voice commands like > > "bus", "train" or more specific "bus 22" > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On 3 Mar 2017, at 19.16, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >> Just to add to what you’re talking about here. > >> > >> There are a few key sources of error which you bring up and one you > >> skirted by. > >> First, your right, you’re aggregating 3 data sources for location > >> (possibly more). WiFi location that you’ve already covered, tower > >> location and GPS space based location. Tower based will get you with in > >> 100 meters maybe a bit better assuming optimal atmospheric conditions. > >> GPS will get you different levels of accuracy depending on a lot of > >> factors ranging from whether you have an error corrected signal (WAAS in > >> the US), how many satellites you’re receiving, the type of geography > >> you’re in and so forth. In perfect conditions GPS will work down to > about > >> 3 meters, usually you’ll see more like 9 meters and the deviation can > be a > >> lot higher than that. > >> As you can see, by all three methods, the error rate is high > enough that > >> locating your exact position in fine detail isn’t practical yet. (The > new > >> GPS system will address some of this) > >> The other source of error that’s a big one that you didn’t mention > as > >> much is the fact that the maps are generally designed with driving in > >> mind. Even walking maps are in many cases just approximations from > >> driving data. So the map is assuming you’re driving down the street and > >> locates your location based on where you’ll park, not the front door. > >> Also, as you mentioned, address ranges are usually applied to the block > >> and the fine detail is left to a sited user who can easily scan the area > >> for the signage etc. Obviously this is not what we need. > >> User shared points of reference are usually measured by a handset > close > >> to the location so can be a bit better but we’re operating still with in > >> the margins of error. I always liked the talking signs system for the > in > >> building / fine navigation but we need to put beacons everywhere for > that > >> to work. > >> > >> > >> > >>> On Mar 3, 2017, at 9:02 AM, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>> > >>> Actually, I am nt sure the issues with accuracy in most cases is the > >>> limits of the GPS receivers especially since iPhone's use WiFi as > >>> additional triangulation information as much as the OI databases. Since > >>> POI databases seem to have street addresses rather than actual lat/long > >>> coordinates, and since the GIS databases often just give ranges of > >>> addresses in a block there is a significant error rate. My parents home > >>> had the largest address on the block which ended in 32, but some GPS > >>> systems suggested it was an address that ended in 52 and that the > >>> address ending in 32 was 300 yards down the street. Google until last > >>> year thought my house was around the corner on a differentt street. So > my > >>> hope would be that the checkin process that Square requires would in > well > >>> visited areas cause the database to be more accurate. > >>> > >>> I remember 5 years ago when I first got Sendaro on my Windows phone, > >>> walking around in circles for 15 minutes because the restaurant I was > >>> looking for was always 100 yards away. I tend to find that happens less > >>> often with my iPhone, if it brings me to the wrong address it pretty > much > >>> insists on that location and does not wander around, except for when I > am > >>> near a body of water. > >>> > >>> So the question to get back to the original subject is do people find > >>> that they have less stress finding a location using one of the three > >>> blind oriented iPhone solutions over using a more main stream product? > >>> > >>> Best wishes, > >>> > >>> Jonathan > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> On Mar 2, 2017, at 2:01 AM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> No, the blindness specific apps are subject to the current limitations > >>>> of GPS, just like the lower cost alternatives. That said, EU's GPS > >>>> system will be coming online fairly soon. With both systems working in > >>>> concert, expected GPS accuracy is predicted to significantly increase > to > >>>> an average of one metre, rather than the current best of three metres > >>>> which is occasionally obtained from the US system on a perfect day. > >>>> Note: inclimate weather will always significantly reduce GPS as long > as > >>>> current technologies are being used. This has to do with how radio > waves > >>>> and atmospheric conditions interact, amongst other factors. > >>>> > >>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA > >>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com > >>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>> > >>>>> On 2/03/2017, at 16:37, Jonathan C. Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> I have been putting off purchasing either of these apps. I was ready > to > >>>>> purchase BlindSquared when Nearby Explorer was first demonstrated, > and > >>>>> i have been debating if the bus time announcements were worth the > cost > >>>>> of Nearby Explorer. > >>>>> > >>>>> The major GPS issues i have with the low cost solutions I currently > use > >>>>> is for the last few yards and i am not sure either of these Apps will > >>>>> help. Examples are is my bus stop here or at the next pole? Or when > >>>>> there are six bus stops clustered near a train stop. Or thirdly where > >>>>> is the front of the building i just walked ten blocks to. > >>>>> > >>>>> Best wishes, > >>>>> > >>>>> Jonathan Cohn > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Mar 1, 2017, at 4:15 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com > > > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> For bus / train public transit, I very strongly encourage trying an > >>>>>> app called moovit. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Moovit is the only public transit app I have used which > automatically, > >>>>>> and consistently, announces the stop where I need to get off the bus > >>>>>> just before the stop. It gives a couple announcements, one from a > >>>>>> couple hundred metres before (at the previous bus stop (so one can > >>>>>> trigger the stop request signal), and one when it is time to get off > >>>>>> the bus. These announcements occur when the live route tracking is > >>>>>> active. The walking between bus stops, to the first bus stop, and to > >>>>>> the final destination, is not very good for the blind pedestrian, > but > >>>>>> the actual bus and train travel announcements are better than any > >>>>>> other app I have used. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Between bus stops, and to my destination, I usually use Apple Maps. > My > >>>>>> fiancé, on the other hand, prefers Google Maps. She is sighted, and > >>>>>> finds its visual layout to be much more appealing. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Kind regards, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA > >>>>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com > >>>>>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936 > >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 2/03/2017, at 03:40, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Donna, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The answer to your question really depends on how you plan to use > >>>>>>> GPS. When you travel, do you walk or mostly ride in vehicles? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> If you walk, are you interested in planning routes to places or > just > >>>>>>> hearing the street names as you go? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> When you ride, are you usually the navigator for a driver or are > you > >>>>>>> taking public transit? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> both apps handle all of these tasks well but if you really want to > >>>>>>> plan routes or look around easily virtually, I’d suggest spending > the > >>>>>>> money on Nearby Explorer. It does take up over 4gb on the phone but > >>>>>>> maps are available when you don’t have coverage which is nice. If > you > >>>>>>> ever worked with the Trekker in its original form, this app is as > >>>>>>> close to its supreme functionality and easy learning curve as > >>>>>>> anything I’ve seen. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> That said, if money is an issue and you just want to hear > >>>>>>> intersecting streets and POIs, BlindSquare is great. It does much > >>>>>>> more but is a bit more technical or involved in how it gets you > >>>>>>> there. It does not do route planning in advance unless going > through > >>>>>>> another app like Maps, Google Maps or Seeing eye GPS. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> As always, just my opinions here. Your mileage will no doubt vary. > >>>>>>>> On Mar 1, 2017, at 8:12 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> > wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Hi all, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Now that we're moving back to a real city--at least relatively > >>>>>>>> speaking--I'm thinking about using my phone a little more for GPS > >>>>>>>> and related tasks. I'm thinking about nearby explorer, but it > comes > >>>>>>>> with a pretty hefty price tag. 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