Hi, Right, but why would it even echo it at that point? There's no real need for the user to even know about that space character. I managed to turn the braille announcements off, basically by completely disabling alert messages in Braille category of VO Utility. Bit of a nuclear option but at least it makes things a bit more bearable, mainly in Vim which is starting to look more appealing , although VO does have trouble focusing on lines at times. Any tips or .vimrc customizations you guys are using are welcome.
Florian 2017-05-05 20:26 GMT+02:00, Barry Hadder <[email protected]>: > Set voiceover punctuation to most. When it is set to all it reads spaces > and new lines more frequently. Sounds like you are editing a file with > blank lines filled with space characters > If you read the command line by character, you will see that immediately > after the prompt there is a space and a new line. That is why it is echoed > when you hit the backspace. > > On May 5, 2017, at 01:42, Florian Beijers <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi, > > I have not found a setting in the VoiceOver Utility to not report > spaces like that, can you point out what setting you mean? > An easy to reproduce example for braille users is this. Go to > terminal, or any program I think, but I've only tried this with > terminal. Press backspace. You will hear the 'bong' sound OS X uses, > and your braille display will for no reason whatsoever echo the word > "space" for about a second. No reason for it, no explanation for it > ...it just happens. When you actually do press the spacebar, it just > inserts a space character with none of this happening. This echoing of > "space" on the braille display, at least on my vim, happens every > single time you move up or down a line. The actual reading of loads of > spaces in a row happens more intermittently and is therefore harder to > reproduce reliably, it usually happens when you open a menu or other, > for example using ctrl+p or ,d in a vim session. > > Florian > > 2017-05-05 5:01 GMT+02:00, Jonathan Cohn <[email protected]>: >> A I have not noticed lots of space spoken when using VIM, but I usually >> avoid it because I can't quite get used to if I need to use the a or i >> command to insert just a little bit. I guess when the document is blank >> it >> sometimes did this but not regularly and could be adjusted with verbosity >> / >> punctuation. >> >> I tend to use text edit quite a bit for plain text documents and find >> that >> nicer than any of the Windows editors wexcept perhaps EdSharp >> >> In terms of command M being used to minimize your window, there is a way >> to >> turn this off. I believe I set my VM to ignore Macintosh Global >> keystrokes >> and this then prevents that from happening. One side effect that >> occasionally happens then is that those commands don't work on the >> Macintosh >> side until I stop Fusion. >> >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Jonathan Cohn >> >> >> >>> On May 2, 2017, at 7:01 PM, Florian Beijers <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I am having to use a mac for work and am running into some very aanoying >>> limitations I hope some of you may have found workarounds for. >>> These mainly show up when using Vim and Emacs from a shell. >>> >>> In Vim, every time I arrow through files I get loads of "space space >>> space >>> space space" jabbered at me, with the braille display showing this >>> briefly >>> as well every time I arrow up or down. Needless to say this is >>> incredibly >>> annoying, can this be stopped somehow? >>> I realize tdsr exists, but I'm guessing braille won't be included in >>> that. >>> Also, brltty might work on mac but how well? Does anyone have experience >>> with this? >>> >>> I haven't played with Emacs much yet but I am foreseeing similar issues. >>> Even when using emacspeak, I'll once again have the issue of not having >>> braille track the speech properly. BRLTTY might help in this case, if >>> VBoiceOver doesn't monopolize the braille display that is, or if >>> switching >>> between VoiceOver and brltty + emacspeak can be done relatively >>> seemlessly. Once again, any experiences you guys may have on this is >>> very >>> much appreciated. >>> >>> On the GUI side, TextMate seems to be the only halfway decent code >>> editor >>> that's not a complete disaster with VoiceOver, unless I've missed an >>> undiscovered gem. TextMate seems ok, but poorly documented. Is anyone >>> using it with success on here, if so, what keystrokes do you use the >>> most? >>> Are thee any other tips you guys might have for an accessible >>> development >>> environment on OS X latest? >>> I do have a Windows VM running in Fusion for if things get really dicy, >>> but dev is heavy enough on the hardware resources as is so if I don't >>> have >>> to introduce a VM into the mix that would obviously be preferred. Not to >>> mention the incredibly annoying tendency on OS X's side to intercept >>> some >>> key combinations meant for the VM, most notably windows+m minimizing my >>> friggin' vm instance. :P >>> I'm open to your ideas, I really am, and any frustration evident from >>> this >>> post is purely a by-product of having to grab for my Windows VM far too >>> often for comfort so far, most notably in advanced web app scenarios and >>> efficient software dev. 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