Competition is necessary. If it were not for that, a company would have no incentive for developing the best product.

Do you think a blind user would spend more for a used product that has no warranty? Its caveat emptor and when you are talking a couple thousand, that is not a wise investment.

Now, Les, you have many choices. But why are you concerned about what someone else may consider a wise investment anyway? Its not your money after all. (smiles)

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On 7/24/2017 9:28 AM, Les Kriegler wrote:
Donna, my point about the market is that it’s small to begin with.  And
now you have two companies competing for market share, so the price
could not possibly come down.  And if you happen to have a device for
trade-in, these companies won’t give you fair market value.  I bought a
BrailleSense and if I want to trade it in, I’ll get about one third of
my original price.  So we as consumers are better off to sell on our
own, assuming that can be accomplished.  As for your comment on
upgrading the Mac, unless you buy a top-of-the-line unit, you won’t
spend anywhere close to $4000 to $5500.  I understand the market
difference, I’m just referencing the facts.  If one has the money to
spend or has backing, then go for whatever you wish to purchase.  I’m
just concerned about the price of braille notetakers, that’s all.



Les



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I agree they are expensive, but ET's points about the size of the market
are good ones.  What you get for your money is the option to have
braille, which for some of us is very important.

Cheers,

Donna





    On Jul 24, 2017, at 10:39 AM, Les Kriegler <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:



    Hi Mary,

    In my opinion, all the no takers including the ultra or overpriced.
    The ultra the last time I checked for the 40 so my will cost her
    about $4000. Not worth it in my opinion for what you get. Anybody
    who buys a blind is no taking device is really paying premium for it.


    Sent from my iPhone


    On Jul 24, 2017, at 10:36 AM, Mary Otten <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

        If you don't want the full blown capability of a very expensive
        blindness note taker, such as the new Polaris, you might
        consider the varrio ultra. That has the ability to transfer
        files with a USB stick. And it also has note taking capability.
        It has an excellent warranty. Some people also find it more
        complicated than the traditional regular braille displays such
        as the edge. They do have excellent US customer support, as well
        as an online manual, and an active helpful email list. This
        display comes in 20 or 40 sell links. It has a text reader, word
        processor, PDF reader, spreadsheet viewer and others. What it
        does not have our things like the ability to fetch email or
        connect to the Internet. That is where you would need the full
        note taker, but then you're also going to be paying a whole lot
        more. And if you're good with your iPhone and your Mac, really,
        who needs that?
        Mary


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        On Jul 24, 2017, at 3:08 AM, Caitlyn Furness
        <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
        wrote:

            Hi,

            Personally, I love any of the Hims devices, so these are
            things like the new polaris and the U2, braille sense line
            of products.  The braille is nice and crisp, and the devices
            themselves are just very well made.



            I can’t speak about anything made by humanware except the
            brilliant, but that’s a full sized display and doesn’t have
            the capability to store files, just access what’s on the
            computer when you are hooked up to it.



            I think the braille edge from Hims also works somewhat like
            a braille note taker, but am not sure on that.



            I’ve had no troubles getting files from the mac onto the
            braille sense.  when I attach it to my mac with a USB cable,
            the device comes up like any other drive, and I can copy and
            paste things from one to the other, although it takes a long
            time.  Of course, you can also use a usb stick to transfer
            files, or the sd card.



            HTH, and I’ll be interested to see what others have to say
            on this as well!



            Cait



                On Jul 23, 2017, at 6:26 PM, Sarah Amelia Sackville
                McLauchlan <[email protected]
                <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:



                Hi all!



                So am looking for some advice/guidance before I go out
                and start applying for assistive tech grant money.  I
                used to use the BrailleNote, but mine died a long time
                ago.  And even before it did, I was starting to run into
                compatibility issues between it, the program I used to
                transfer files to my old computer (a PC in those days),
                and the computer itself.  Plus, of course, I've since
                switched to Mac, which I don't think my BrailleNote was
                compatible with anyway.  So now I'm without a Braille
                device!  But I really want to get another one.  What's
                compatible with Mac, though?



                Basically, what I'm looking for would be a portable,
                refreshable Braille device that I can easily transfer
                files to from my computer and back.  Because, although I
                might use it for writing sometimes, what I'd mainly be
                using it for is reading.  For example, I'd use it to
                read my papers when I present at conferences, or my
                poetry/fiction at reading events.  Though, I might use
                it for private reading too.  So are there devices in the
                Mac compatible world that will allow me to do that?



                Anyway, thanks.  :-) I figured that, if anyone would
                know, it'd be folks here!

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