Hi Donna, I use narrator only if I have to. Jaws is my first choice when using windows and NVDA I use if I can find my usb device at the time I need it.
Narator is the first option I have when I need to work on a clients machine and yes Narrator is better in windows 10 but I still wouldn’t rate it highly, NVDA is one I really need to spend more time working with it. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin Sent: Wednesday, 26 July 2017 1:12 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Refreshable Braille devices? Hi Simon, I don't know how you guys in NZ do it. I know prices there are really high. BTW, I have read stuff that says that Narrator is vastly improved and getting better. I still haven't upgraded my PC to Windows 10, so I can't confirm this. But I read one reviewer who ranked current screen-readers for Windows in the following order: 1. Narrator, 2. NVDA, and 3. JAWS. Since you have to use a PC, you might want to try playing around with Narrator and NVDA and see what you think. Cheers, Donna On Jul 25, 2017, at 3:51 AM, Simon Fogarty <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: HiDonna, Just a note, The apple product is more costly for us but it includes withit the voice over screen reader, If you buy a windows computer and need a screen reader, Narrator is crap, NVDA is free and getting better in quality, Jaws is pretty dam good but pricie especially if you live like me in the far and beyond. To give you an idea of cost in nz, My 128GB 7+ iPhone was at purchase $1600 nz dollars, The next phone will be even closer to 2 grand for the larger size and storage I know when I purchased jaws it cost me $3000 but these things happen and I have to pay the prices to get the product and stay up to date with technology. I can’t just run a mac all the time as I work a lot with windows based servers and powershell doesn’t work on a mac. From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin Sent: Tuesday, 25 July 2017 4:48 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: Refreshable Braille devices? Hi Les, My only point about the Mac is that even without buying a top of the line model, it is much more expensive than most PCs. But we buy them, because we like them. Same thing applies here. Cheers, Donna On Jul 24, 2017, at 11:28 AM, Les Kriegler <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Donna, my point about the market is that it’s small to begin with. And now you have two companies competing for market share, so the price could not possibly come down. And if you happen to have a device for trade-in, these companies won’t give you fair market value. I bought a BrailleSense and if I want to trade it in, I’ll get about one third of my original price. So we as consumers are better off to sell on our own, assuming that can be accomplished. As for your comment on upgrading the Mac, unless you buy a top-of-the-line unit, you won’t spend anywhere close to $4000 to $5500. I understand the market difference, I’m just referencing the facts. If one has the money to spend or has backing, then go for whatever you wish to purchase. I’m just concerned about the price of braille notetakers, that’s all. Les Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: Donna Goodin<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 12:19 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: Refreshable Braille devices? I agree they are expensive, but ET's points about the size of the market are good ones. What you get for your money is the option to have braille, which for some of us is very important. Cheers, Donna On Jul 24, 2017, at 10:39 AM, Les Kriegler <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Hi Mary, In my opinion, all the no takers including the ultra or overpriced. The ultra the last time I checked for the 40 so my will cost her about $4000. Not worth it in my opinion for what you get. Anybody who buys a blind is no taking device is really paying premium for it. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2017, at 10:36 AM, Mary Otten <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: If you don't want the full blown capability of a very expensive blindness note taker, such as the new Polaris, you might consider the varrio ultra. That has the ability to transfer files with a USB stick. And it also has note taking capability. It has an excellent warranty. Some people also find it more complicated than the traditional regular braille displays such as the edge. They do have excellent US customer support, as well as an online manual, and an active helpful email list. This display comes in 20 or 40 sell links. It has a text reader, word processor, PDF reader, spreadsheet viewer and others. What it does not have our things like the ability to fetch email or connect to the Internet. That is where you would need the full note taker, but then you're also going to be paying a whole lot more. And if you're good with your iPhone and your Mac, really, who needs that? Mary Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2017, at 3:08 AM, Caitlyn Furness <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Hi, Personally, I love any of the Hims devices, so these are things like the new polaris and the U2, braille sense line of products. The braille is nice and crisp, and the devices themselves are just very well made. I can’t speak about anything made by humanware except the brilliant, but that’s a full sized display and doesn’t have the capability to store files, just access what’s on the computer when you are hooked up to it. I think the braille edge from Hims also works somewhat like a braille note taker, but am not sure on that. I’ve had no troubles getting files from the mac onto the braille sense. when I attach it to my mac with a USB cable, the device comes up like any other drive, and I can copy and paste things from one to the other, although it takes a long time. Of course, you can also use a usb stick to transfer files, or the sd card. HTH, and I’ll be interested to see what others have to say on this as well! Cait On Jul 23, 2017, at 6:26 PM, Sarah Amelia Sackville McLauchlan <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Hi all! So am looking for some advice/guidance before I go out and start applying for assistive tech grant money. I used to use the BrailleNote, but mine died a long time ago. And even before it did, I was starting to run into compatibility issues between it, the program I used to transfer files to my old computer (a PC in those days), and the computer itself. Plus, of course, I've since switched to Mac, which I don't think my BrailleNote was compatible with anyway. 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